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Mnt. Miser?

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#1 ·
Did they close? Went there yesterday for some stuff and it was closed, dark and desolate looking. If this is true, does anyone know if they just maybe moved?!!!!!


I REALLY REALLY hope they didn't close :cry:
 
#5 ·
Mountain Miser Closed?

Tragic. Kensel, it's not only one of the best in Colorado, it's easily one of the very best in the country. Where else are you going to see such a wide range of top notch equipment? Kansas? Florida? Ohio?

He'd better not be moving back to Texas. If I recall, his lease should be up around now.

Chair 1....see you soon.
 
#6 ·
Wishing them well is fine and good but they were in the process of doing a warranty replacement on my EZG! They called a couple weeks ago and told me it would be another couple weeks before the new boat was to arrive. If anyone knows how to get in touch with them please post or pm me.

I did drop an e-mail to wavesport, but if anyone knows who the rep is these days, let me know.

Kris
 
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Let this be a lesson to us!

Everyone should take notice of this trend. We need to support our local shops and be strong with holding out on conveinent internet price gouging. It seems we have some options. Make a conscious decision to purchase as much paddling apparel that meets your needs with the local shop you like, or you might be out of luck with that same day purchase you need to go boating. What happens when you slice your only spray skirt and want to hit your favorite creek run that is finally releasing. What will our options be if BOC, Alpineglow, Golden River Sports, and Confluence go the way of the Dodo? Keep this in mind when you order your boat online new for $100 cheaper than your shop can provide it for (taxes and shipping).

Not everything that you may need will be at your local shop. But when you do a price comparison (of something they have in stock) or search for a certain product and then choose to shop online because it is cheaper, you are putting your local store out of business.

This shop was not only kayaking obviously. But with the rise of e-comerce and e-bay these guys that take care of us will have to rely on their loyal locals! Lets not miss the real point.

NH
 
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I think that a lot of the people you buy stuff online from are people like www.mountainmiser.com. I think people like them who have brick and morter stores and add the e-com element are the most successful. It is so easy now to set up e-commerce that a lot of the people you are buying from online are the same mom 'n pop shops that are in your neighborhood. I guess my point is that shopping online isn't selling out or anything, especially when you are still supporting someone's local shop who happens to have spent some time setting up a web site.

If it weren't for eBay and boat swaps, I probably never would have been able to start boating, either.
 
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I agree with big Nick

Think globally shop locally. When you have great mom and pops in your area, buy from them. And do not ask for Brodeals. Brodeals don't pay the bills. Many times the good deals on line aren't such good deals. When
you need service and warranty help.

Chad and Earl do a great job with E-Sales. But they are hitting the parts of the country that do not have the great kayak stores like we have here.

David good luck and sorry to see the shop go.
 
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First of all, I am sorry to the owners of Mtn Miser. I never shopped at the store, but it is always a bummer to see a local business have to shut down.

I just want to chime in and disagree with what NHINDS posted. So, as Ron Burgundy says, "I agree to disagree"

Whitelightning's post said it very well! Most of the online kayaks shop ARE the local mom and pops stores, and are NOT big corporations. The kayaking industry is very, very small; therefore, it is only natural for these businesses to adapt to the competitive market and build online websites. With the increase in e-commerce shopping worldwide, it would seem logical and intelligent for a local shop to build an online store. For these shops to sit back and wish everybody shopped locally would be a great way for their business to never make any money or to become extinct. It is not fair to blame consumers for wanting to shop online. Especially if these consumers don't have a local shop or prefer a certain shop because they receive extrodinary customer service, a variety of choices, and, yes, competitive prices.

There are way to many other factors that contribute to the growing trend that NHINDS mentioned. Labeling online shopping as the sole problem to a local business shutting down is not a fair statement.

Later
 
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#21 ·
San Diego was not named after a whale's vagina?

Marko you do have a great point! My statement was a comment on the actions of some consumers throughout the nation. CKS is a great store and I was not calling you all out. Going online is a necessity for survival, that is certain if you are a shop and want to sell a lot of product. That is a fact of life these days. You will see CKS is not the type of store I am talking about in my below clarification.

I speak with small shop owners daily and try to help them sauce out their marketing strategies. Many speak to me personally about a certain type of customer that will come in the shop and use the knowledgable staff for advice. They use the small store to get the right information on what they may need, like a novice kayaker for example.

If they went to one of the large stores (like REI, EMS, Gallyans is the prime example in CO) they might have the cheapest prices, but a real problem with product and overall paddlesports knowledge. The can offer great deals and sell products cheap cause their parent corporations buy in bulk. Their sales staff rarely will sell the right thing to a person who is unsure what they are really looking for. Client has a bad experience and is not interested in paddlesports or whitewater.

Some customers will get the info on what they need from a store (taking valuable time away) and then go directly to the web and purchase it for a cheaper price. That is there right as a consumer in a capitalist economy but is it right as a boater in the community?

I am not saying don't buy online. I am saying that maybe you should check out your local shops price (and even maybe their online site) before going to another large outlet style retailer. Especially if you want that resource around for your immediate needs in the future.

I guess I started ranting in my first post but I think it is worth pondering. Being in the lucky position of testing most products I use and not really purchasing much over the past 2 years, it is hot air from me. But I hear of stores having trouble and going out of biz every week. Many local boaters are bummed by this type of trend in their area.

Nick
 
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Below is an interesting article from today's Vail Daily. Locally here in the Vail area, we live in a relatively small fish bowl of shopping choices. One of the people interviewed in the article says something like "we either have wal-mart for clothes or the tourist cashmere and fur store, there is nothing in between, so we go to Denver or shop online". Anyways, some of this applies to what you guys are talking about, and the rest is unique to some of us in the mountains.

From the Vail Daily:

Locals hit the road, or go online


Valley shoppers try to support small stores but sometimes discouraged by lack of variety



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Sarah Heilig of Minnesota looks thriough a t-shirt rack in Vail Village. Some locals think the area's stores cater mostly to tourists.
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Nikki Katz
January 18, 2006

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EAGLE COUNTY - Kandi Smith of Edwards is an avid Internet shopper. She buys clothes online because she likes the variety and the low prices - things, she said, that Vail doesn't offer.

"You go to llbean.com and see a shirt you like for 40 bucks. At the small boutiques, they're charging $280. That's a big difference if you work for a living," Smith said.

And because Wal-Mart doesn't carry what her daughter wants for her birthday, she'll probably look for it online, Smith said.

"If I can't find it, I'll look online, and I would consider going to Wishes - I like to support my community - but it's the only toy store around here," Smith said.


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Chris Mullineux, right of Ironwood, Michigan does some shopping in Vail Village with freinds Caryn Reib, left, and Lauri Neibauer both from Mellen, Wisconsin. Some locals say they shop on the Internet because cater more to tourists.
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She would love to see more stores in the area, particularly a Target, Smith said.

"It'd be nice to have more stores up here, but there are not enough people in this valley to employ, especially with the expensive housing," Smith said.

Mark Windels of West Vail rarely visits Vail's small stores. Windels said they are too expensive.

"Even if the Vail Valley had more stores, everything would still be too expensive because of the high property taxes," Windels said. "Shopping in Vail Valley is expensive. That's why people go to Denver - they take shopping trips on the weekends."

Small, specialty stores play a "risky role," competing with bigger stores and thriving on tourists, Windels said.

"Multimillion dollar homes are being built, and specialty stores cater to their owners," Windels said. "You see all this upscale furniture in stores - they've got the market cornered."

Jon Peterson, from Minneapolis, Minn., is outfitting his vacation home in East Vail. He said he's starting with the basics like pots and sheets.

"I wouldn't envision commodity goods being priced better than at Wal-Mart," Peterson said. "When I want more unique things, I'll go to the smaller stores."

Many locals said they would prefer to shop at smaller stores if the prices weren't unrealistic for their budgets.

"If I had the money I would shop at the expensive tourist stores, but I also think there's big value (in stores like Wal-Mart) where people get everything in one stop," said Tammy Brown of Vail.

Customer service is one of the biggest differences between shopping at small stores and shopping at big stores or online, said Tommy Lauhoff of Edwards.


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Local shoppers say they struggle to support local businesses and when faced with low prices at stores like Wal-Mart and a bigger election on the Internet.
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"I like small stores, little 'mom and pop' places. At smaller specialty stores, there's usually customer service. They take better care of their customers," Lauhoff said.

Barbara Eichler of Gypsum turned to the Internet to buy presents during the Christmas rush. She doesn't usually go online to buy things, but she didn't want to have to travel to Silverthorne, Glenwood Springs or Denver to shop, she said.

"I don't like sitting in front of a computer, but I do go online if I can't find what I'm looking for in stores," Eichler said.

Many locals said they like to feel a product with their hands, read the back and compare it to other products before they buy something. When Matt Rigsby of Avon set out to buy a digital camera, he went to a store to check out a couple cameras before he bought one of them online.

"I wanted to touch it, feel it, see all its features, but it was cheaper online," Rigsby said.

Brown does almost all of her clothes shopping online. "Purses, shoes, jewelry --you can get cheaper name brands on eBay," Brown said. "There's not enough variety in Vail."

Rigsby said he would also like to see more variety in Vail.

"I would prefer more stores to go to, a Target, a mall or anywhere else to get better clothes," Rigsby said. "We've got small stores, which are expensive, and we've got Wal-Mart. We've got the low end and the high end but no medium."



Vail, Colorado
 
#26 ·
I've been into Galyans and other stores like it, and the boats aren't any cheaper really. $25-50 bucks perhaps. The gear can be cheaper but its usually not the best and most desirable stuff. REI definetly isn't any cheaper and is often more expensive for boating gear then most of the local shops. So I'm not too worried about internet sales from that standpoint.

What does get me pretty hard core is what Nick was talking about in his last post. From someone who has worked in the industry on several levels (worked for Wildwasser on the manufacturer side and several different boating shops on the retail), its really annoying and disheartening to give someone alot of information, help them make a decision about what they want, and put alot of work into a sale, only to have them turn around and buy something online because it was $25 bucks cheaper. The worst part is, when the item they buy doesn't fit or it breaks, they never deal with the random internet sales company, they bring it to you.

Even if the shop they bought it from was some other mom and pop shop that happens to do online sales, its still really crappy to deal with. So I guess what I am saying is that, if you try something on, ask a bunch of questions, and take up a bunch of someones time, then at least be decent enough to give them the business. I've finally escaped the retail life and am very glad for it, mostly because I don't have to deal with stuff like that.