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Don't have much to add to all the good advice already posted. I'm not as meticulous as some of you guys, it sounds like, but we run a super duper puma so we have to rig relatively efficiently for anything more than 1 night. I do remember a few rough rigging sessions our first couple times going out, but as someone else said, if you practice at home with no pressure you'll know where things fit and not have to play tetris at the ramp.

Also, you might be surprised how much your partner will notice just handing off gear while you rig. One of the best moments I've had rigging happened when I was asked by a stranger to run a quick a shuttle for them (they were taking out from a day float, as we were putting on for an overnight). I asked my wife to unload the truck and get things ready so I could rig quickly when I got back. I pulled into the parking lot to find her backing the trailer down the ramp with the boat rigged perfectly (I didn't even know she could back a trailer up!).
 
On launch day it can take an hour max. Once on the river even quicker. After you’ve done enough trips, you should get fairly efficient about how best to load your boat. Best part of a river trip should be enjoying the floating, cocktail hour, lounging, etc and minimizing the work part - packing, unpacking, camp setup/takedown.
 
Travel from Tennessee arrive at western boat ramp blow up raft load gear ready to go in one and half hours.Longest witnessed rigging was two guys at corn creek last year five and half hours.
How long did it take you to patch your raft after you blew it up?

Personally I've always had much more success inflating rafts, but that's just me lol:LOL::ROFLMAO:
 
I’ll spend a day prior in the driveway mock rigging and working everything out.

never spent more than 30 mins to an hour on site. I hate hate hate hate being the reason someone else has to wait so I back in, drop off, and get the fuck out of the way. Then once I’m off the ramp I fiddle around with last minute tying down.

Every time you return write down everything you brought but didn’t touch: from food to clothes to the extra tampon or can of dip.

next time either justify why you had it and didn’t touch it and need it again (bear spray) or had it and didn’t touch it and don’t need it (seal lined winter boots and the 35th extra can of Dinty Moore beef stew)
 
I think if I had to wait behind anyone of the ramp for 3-4 hours I would not be too happy. I rig my boat as much as possible prior to leaving the house. There have only been a few times when that was not possible; mostly due to my raft going on somebody else's trailer a day or two before we leave. When that happens I have my coolers, dry box, dry bags, and miscellaneous stuff packed. Once on the ramp we put in the coolers, the drybox, then pack everything in the Barney Bag and we are ready. I don't have to blow it up and attach the frame; just load it. I would say that is about 30 minutes. If I had to blow it up and attach the frame then I would add another 30-40 minutes. But I would try to do the blowing up and frame attaching off to the side and not block the ramp.
 
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Early in my rafting days I was invited on a Gates of Ladore trip with a group of retired raft guides. They had been boating together for decades and had it down to a near perfect plan. On the ramp the boats were loaded and in the water in less than 20 minutes. During the trip they were loaded in less than 10 minutes. It was a thing of beauty, like watching a well oiled machine.

On the other hand I have friends that will take 4-5 hours to load and rig for the same trip. The difference is simply good organization and planning.

The experienced boaters showed up with all the dry bags and coolers packed. No rearranging at the last minute. They knew where the straps were stored and had them pre-sorted by length and size. They had a rigging plan (written down on paper!), they new where each piece of gear was to go. And one person was in charge of loading, the boat captain.

One of the best purchases I have ever made is a big 'everything bag' similar to this: Everything Bag Cut my loading time in half.

Having a bad time on the ramp can really be stressful and is a poor start to the trip. Here are some things I do to make the rigging a bit stressful
1) If possible I like to arrive the night before and get a good nights rest. Or at least be with an hours drive.
2) Arrive early, less crowd and less desert heat improve the ramp experience.
3) Have a good meal before rigging. Hungry, tired cranky folks don't get along as well. I always pack some snacks for the ramp, feed anyone that seems cranky.
4) Have good group coordination so everyone is ready at the same time. Communicate clearly, we will arrive at the ramp at 8:00, we will rig and launch by 9:30. So everyone is on the same page.
5) For me rigging is a work in progress. Each time I load the boat I get a little better at it. I have started taking photos of the well rigged boat to use as a reference on the next trip. I also wrote down my strap usage, no more guessing.

Want to have the worst day on the ramp? Arrive late, drunk or hung over. Drive 5-6 hours non-stop and arrive tired and foggy headed. Time it so you can be on a concrete ramp when the desert temperature will be well over 100 degrees. Pack in a rush and leave critical things at home. Don't use a list, just wing it. Skip lunch because you are running late. Forget to gas up so your shuttle driver has to do it for you. Don't pack things ahead of time so you can be sorting cloths, food and gear on the ramp in huge 'garage sale' pile while your stuff gets mixed in with other groups.
Thank you for the "Everything Bag" tip...I will definitely look into that! It looks like if evenly packed even a dog could sit on top comfortably- plus it takes the work out of tons of NRS straps & bags hanging off of the raft. I also appreciate your less stressful #1-5 tips! I tend to get all caught up on getting on the river as fast as possible, and usually rush everyone through #1-3! I can't say I'm not the problem sometimes!

Thank you!
 
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"...dragging" and boating are not a good mix...
That's what it feels like! We all want family time together before the adults are too old to paddle and the teenager runs off to enjoy her own life, but it sure seems like I am dragging them along!
 
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I would 100% recommend looking into a Pacific River Bag from Cascade River Gear. It's a game changer if you're looking to speed up loading/securing cargo in the boat.

EDIT also: crack a beer when you first get to the ramp (time of day is not relevant). It helps put everything into perspective that you're there to enjoy where you are at and who you are there with.
Thank you for the tip about the Pacific River Bag! I just looked into the other brand from another Buzzer and they both look beneficial for cutting down some of the load time! I'm a high strung person so I'm sure the beer(s) will help 🍻

Thank you!
 
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You are at the river to enjoy your time. Be way more Zen about it.



Ruthless reductionism is a thing, and it is a good thing.
The less shit you bring, the less shit you have to deal with day after day.
If it gets cold, you should be able to wear ALL your layers and be just warm enough. Don't bring so much "just in case" stuff. You don't need most of it.
Don't pare down your emergency stuff too much...but you don't need 2 pairs of jeans, a hoodie, a puffy, a shell, a sweater, and a couple t-shirts for a summer trip. For a fall trip, maybe one pair of pants and the puffy. Add inner thermal layers (smaller/lighter) than more outer thermal layers.

Find the joy in having less stuff, and nailing more and more trips with a "just right" load.

If you're unpacking stuff from a trip, take note of all the stuff you never used. You really need to question if it gets packed next time.




Either version is better than a mess of straps. I agree, the TRS gear is bomber burly built. Tougher than the one I made for myself, for sure.

Loading gets a lot more simple when everyone knows where the stuff goes. Day 2-3 of a river trip, people can largely drop their own bags in order if you have a good sequence. Maybe it pares down a little during the trip as you consume food, or morphs in other areas when you create trash/recyclables. Having a big Santa Claus bag makes rigging a million times easier because you can just drop all the little bags in and not have to worry about rigging a strap through each.

I don't have a perfect pic of mine, but I just lace mine up the back and across the top, then spider straps over the top.
Oh, and back in to the beach. The majority of your stuff is in the back of the boat. Why carry it the length of the raft? Your bow passengers can walk down the boat and hit the beach, everything else that comes out nightly is in back. Maybe you climb on your boat to hit your cooler...but if you're sharing cooking duties, you may not be in your cooler several nights and then hit it heavily the couple nights its your cooking duty.
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It would take me ~1.5 hr to rig with straps, ~45min to rig with an everything bag, and under 1/2hr to rig a dory - throw gear in and slam hatches closed.
So it's not just your rigging skill or communication (or lack thereof) with your wife...it's also your rigging system that will make an enormous difference in rigging time and stress.
Not gonna lie, I love packing my dory. It's just 6 big connected floating dryboxes.

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Absolutely tether the teenager if they're unwilling to help rigging!



Having been married for almost 25 years I've learned that some preventative humility also goes a long way, too. If you can admit you're hangry or grumpy before insinuating she is...hopefully she becomes part of your solution rather than a new problem.

Don't be one of those couples arguing on the ramp that others stare and laugh at.


IMHO if there's inessential stuff...it doesn't need to go on the trip in the first place.
You did an awesome job on touching upon many of the great perspectives pointed out to me! Being car campers for the past 5 years, everyone is used to bringing the kitchen sink- so downsizing is a huge thing we have to work on. And, I completely agree...I have so many damn straps that I could make a bridge across the river! Grant they are pre-placed; they are still a huge burden.
 
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Don't have much to add to all the good advice already posted. I'm not as meticulous as some of you guys, it sounds like, but we run a super duper puma so we have to rig relatively efficiently for anything more than 1 night. I do remember a few rough rigging sessions our first couple times going out, but as someone else said, if you practice at home with no pressure you'll know where things fit and not have to play tetris at the ramp.

Also, you might be surprised how much your partner will notice just handing off gear while you rig. One of the best moments I've had rigging happened when I was asked by a stranger to run a quick a shuttle for them (they were taking out from a day float, as we were putting on for an overnight). I asked my wife to unload the truck and get things ready so I could rig quickly when I got back. I pulled into the parking lot to find her backing the trailer down the ramp with the boat rigged perfectly (I didn't even know she could back a trailer up!).
I'd love to live in your world, but a few days ago I left my spouse at the launch ramp while getting gas for the motor and came back to them chilling out drinking a beer enjoying the river! Apparently, they know how to live and I somehow have my priorities screwed up!
 
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Most folks take a long time to do the initial load on most trips I go on. You just have to be chill about it. As a trip progresses the loading process for most folks gets much faster. One guy I boat with never gets any faster. Seems he never loads the the boat the same way twice. Dude takes friggin forever.
Thank you for your understanding...I guess we are all Padawans at some time. Your friend sounds like my spouse...abstract and always trying new things, which isn't bad it is just hard to watch sometimes. I'm linear and need focus.
 
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Not sure what the ramps look like where you're boating, but having a dedicated raft trailer would greatly speed your rigging time at the ramp. I can't remember the last time I've need 4WD to put my boat/trailer out. If you absolutely can't have the dedicated trailer, I'd make peace with it, get there early (maybe the day before?) and have a drink while rigging. It's better than being at work.
I'd love the idea of a dedicated trailer but I'm down here in Southern Nevada and only get up to the Class I-II rivers a couple times a year. So my raft trailer doubles as a camping gear trailer the other non-water trips. Also, the rivers and lakes in the SW U.S. are taking such a huge hit from the drought that even Lake Mead's docks are a mess. The put in at Ruby-Horsethief (via Rimrock) was way too steep of a drop for my trailer. We slid the raft off onto the embankment, then lined up the cargo on the shore 3 feet up... still somehow at least two hours went by. Thank god Rimrock has a huge beach so we didn't irritate anyone!

Anything is better than being at work even attempting to load the kitchen sink on a raft for hours in the desert sun while fighting with my spouse!
 
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I read your post and the last line is the most important. If you are really starting to dislike your happy place then then you really need to ask yourself "Am I happy to be on the river . . . . ?"
I guess that is why it is "my" happy place and not my family's! Hopefully things will cool down and all of the great tips I've gotten on this thread will mend their way into making rigging a more successful and pleasant experience.

BTW- there are no other happy places out there... it is the river 🌊 or nothing!
 
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1. OP, you say teenager must watch dogs. Why not leave them in the van with windows down? Or tethered to van/trailer/tree/post/boat? .....at least for the critical items that you need assistance with.

2. Kengore's advice is spot on. The right gear and prepping.

3. I have to remind my spouse quite often that you can make an intense situation TRIPLE as intense if you add anger. (or whatever negative word you want to put in that sentence) I'm far from a marriage counselor, but it's not just the gear that makes it a slow messy process. Preventive human mentality measures must sometimes be taken too.

4. Don't be afraid to ask for help. It's not always true but Tina Turner's words are what come to mind - People on the river are happy to give.

5. If only doing class 1-2, why can't some of the less essential rigging happen while floating?

6. Rig while she's shuttling?

*None of these mean my rigging times are in the Guinness Book of Records, but I strive to not be the last ready *
Thank you for the breakdown of how to help! Sometimes just laying it out plain is simple makes things a bit easier to tackle and try!

Referring to #3.... we usually have a pre-crap show with the 7-9 hr drive to the night-before-the-launch campground, a crappy night's sleep knowing we have to repack all of the sleeping stuff back into the raft, a bit of indigestion from fast food on the road, and suddenly we have a recipe for disaster filled with tension!

#4 We have met some amazing people at the launch ramps and a few buttheads. For what it is worth, we have always tucked ourselves away from the main launch area (dragged our cargo to a thin section of the beach) so we don't make anyone wait on us to get out of the way. River and lake people are awesome...sometimes I can't believe genuinely friendly people as such still exist!

#5 great idea! We will try it!
 
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The arguments with the spouse will hopefully subside as more experience is gained. At least that was my experience... A root cause to our arguments was that she felt like she was in the way initially. I am fairly particular as most are when it comes to rigging... Have some patience, and get your spouse involved/explain why you like it a certain way. This went along ways with my spouse, and our timeliness once I realized the issue.

Color coded straps, and drop bags (I hate NRS cooler/drybox brackets) will also help greatly. Frame straps are great as well, and will help in the rigging process greatly as you can leave them on with minimal strap flap during transport, in addition to the drop bags! At the end of each trip try to set yourself up for success on your next outing by being organized when you break down. Thoroughly cleaning gear, inspecting it for defects (repairing before the next launch if needed), and being organized with straps will help in the frustration. Also, coming up with a system to load your car/truck will help when offloading to the ramp. That way you are pulling the items to rig out of your vehicle in the order you want to rig the boat to minimize your footprint at the ramp. The truck loading took me a couple of floats to figure out... nothing is worse than having to pull everything out for the item you want to rig 1st.

I leave the dog tied up to the truck, and make the 8 yr old work. He typically works on topping off the raft while we rig. It helps with the time crunch of getting off the ramp, and gives him a since of ownership in the process as well. We pre-pack our bills bags, and load them with the cooler, drybox and whatever else at the ramp. Our trailer doesn't have rollers, so offloading a completely rigged boat doesn't always work with three of us to offload/load due to the weight.

Repetition and experience will greatly expedite the process over time! On shorter floats where we are setting our own shuttle, we will drop the boat and set shuttle while the other rigs it that is an option. This is where explaining how you like the boat rigged will really play into your favor.

The initial rig/setup at the begging of the season typically takes a few hours as I sort out last seasons mess... Once the season is underway we typically take about 15 minutes while waiting in line at the ramp, and 15 minutes at the ramp once the boat is in the water.

Stick with it, and it will get easier! Arguing with the crew at the ramp while rigging is exhausting! Save that energy for head winds!

Cheers!
Thank you for your positive thoughts! I admit I have a "personal" problem with patience and just assume an adult would know what to do, which is completely arrogant of me. I assume my passion, being out in nature and on the river, is their passion, of which it is not. Gratefully, my spouse states that even through all of this crap they come with to spend time with myself and our daughter. Thanks again for the positive vibes! As my spouse would say- "no one ever went to college wearing diapers!"
 
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Single parent w/ a 10 year old and 12 year old. I have a 16' cataraft that travels w/ tubes rolled & bagged. The three of us can typically be rigged and on the river (for multi-day) in 1 hour-ish.
Keep your bragging to yourself 😁... we are a work in progress! Just kidding, there are a ton of awesome people here that have it down and your family is part of that group! My family is in the trial-and-error-group. Lots of errors so far...
 
coach your child and spouse on how they can help instead of being high strung and becoming frustrated by their every move. Seriously, if you teach them how you want it done, you’ll be the one sitting on the river bank enjoying a beer while they are buttoning up the final hatches.
 
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