All right lets hear it, no names needed unless they need a burn. (here, on MB?) whats the worst River Beta you have ever received? You know those peeps who downplay a class V to "class 2 boogie water." Tell you its "just a little poor over, boof of the lip and paddle..." When in reality there is no boof, you loose all your speed before the non existent boof, and land in a horseshoe shaped land of retentive hell. All right proceed....