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Hi everyone, been lurking for a bit. Apologies for the redundant question but curious on your recommendations.

I currently have a Scadden(yes I'm still alive and unharmed...mostly) Assault and paddled some sections of river with class 2 rapids.

I'm looking to get a better outfit for a weeklong trip I plan to do every summer in a remote area of BC(35 min heli in). It has some class 3 rapids. It will be me and 1 passenger. Other than the big trip I hope to do day trips with my wife and kid fishing some mellow rivers.

I was thinking a 13 or 14' raft with a normal frame(nrs Bighorn), don't need the fishing frame as 99% of the time I get out and fish while wading.

What would you recommend for this type of water/purpose?

Thanks so much!
 

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Mmmm.....Scadden...I hear they are class V rated!

14’ Hyside.

“Next in line, please! Next,please!”

“Yes, you’ll want a 14’ Hyside,too.”

“Next in line! I said NEXT!”

“Yes, 14ft Hyside for you, as well. good choice,sir! Move along now, sir.”

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It really depends on the size of your wife and her need for comfort. 14' is bare minimum for most milf trips.
 

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Mmmm.....Scadden...I hear they are class V rated!
Well my first trip down a river with some obstacles I busted the blade on the oar in the first mile of the float, then bent the other oar shortly after. Just rowed in circles to get around.

Thanks, I'll look at the Hyside.
 

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The first thing you need to do is see what the capacity of the helicopter is then work backwards from that weight limit. If possible move everything in one trip. You may want a 12' or 13'.
 

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Yeah, buddy, scadden boats and Dave are both pieces of shit.

Regarding the frame, NRS is a solid choice. I’ve used them for 18 years now and still recommend them for what you want to do with them. Not the sexiest frame but great for fly out stuff and changing them to the needs of each trip.

Also, get the raft first, tape measure it all up and then order all the frame parts that fit your needs off the nrs site.I don’t really recommend just buying the generic bighorn frame unless it matches your fit exactly. Side rails length , oar tower height,etc. are examples of some good possible tweaks.
 

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The first thing you need to do is see what the capacity of the helicopter is then work backwards from that weight limit. If possible move everything in one trip. You may want a 12' or 13'.
Thanks! there's a fair bit of capacity, 1400lbs, my partner and I weighed in at 1100lb with our gear when we just camped(and we brought a lot of extras) but brought a water master to fish the other side. So as long as we keep it under 300 it should be fine. We also brought 50lbs of water so we could save some room there. The ride isn't cheap so want to keep it to one trip!

Do you think 13' would be too small? Ideally 12 or 13 would be nice for my solo fishing but I do have the Scadden for those days.
 

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Prqactice will be the key to your success. Practice camping with less, because you're not going to fit 1100 into a 13 foot raft without rowing from the top of a pile of gear (okay, so it's only 975 cuz the raft weighs 125). It's going to depend on how much kitchen you can leave behind.
Are you goint to bring a cooler full of ice? That demands a bigger boat. Using backpacking gear, 2 people in 13 is easy. In a 13 foot boat, rowing from atop drybox or cooler, will have room for a couple of drybags, and not tht much more. Is a groover required where you're going? That's a lot of space, unless you're using a pipe bomb.
Manufacturers usually tell you the interior width, and you can guestimate the interior length, bot tha taper at the ends take away a lot of volume. See how much of your stuff you can pile into the aproximate interior space of an NRS Otter 13 to see if you're in the ballpark. An Otter 14 will not only have another foot in length, but about 6" in width the whole length. It's a big difference, but I can tell you, it's a handful to deal with a 135 lbs boat for just 2 people at the take out if you can't get your truck near the water. The more gear you've gotta carry, the more gear you've gotta carry. I have an NRS E135. At times I wish it was bigger and at times I wish it was smaller. The way I camp, on popular western rivers, I'd like a little bigger for those 6 day trips
 

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Depends on what type of rafting you're doing. I do a lot of multi-day trips and have a 14 foot raft. I travel light with personal items but carry a lot of the required group gear plus water and food. When I take a woman with me, she takes up very little room but it gets a lot more crowded with all of her personal gear. Personally I would not go less than 14 foot.
 

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Thanks Kip, the 1100lbs was food, my partner and I(around 450-475lbs or so total), water master raft, camping gear and a yeti 85 filled with ice/perishables. We went a bit overboard on the things we brought(heavier folding chairs, a 25lb propane tank, large stove etc) No groover required here.

Most of the spots I fish should have a boat ramp which would makes things easy.

So what I'm sensing is that 14' would be ideal for a week long trip or even drifts with my family in a rowing set up? Stick to my scatten for the solo trips?

Thanks everyone for all of your help!
 

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II don't think it's a steal, but probably a fair price. It's one year older than my NRS, and I expect to have it many more years. It's big enough to carry a comprehensive repair kit <<<Hint. I would expect that it should hold air well enough, but you'll want to carry a top-off pump anyway. And buy a couple of replacement valves, and change one for practice.
You know that's 165 lbs, more of less, right?
 

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It's big enough to carry a comprehensive repair kit <<<Hint.
That's pretty darn funny man! Sellers should post that one for some of these 40 yr old $10,000 Avons they are trying to sell!

JonathinKirby, do a search on this forum for how to check out a used raft, folks have posted some good advice, such as inflating one tube at a time, having a spray bottle, checking for leaks, looking for blown out I-Beams in the floor, Etc.
Just like buying a used car, the more you know about things wraong that are a big deal to fix, and ones that are simple and cheapish, the better off you are.

I might not mind having that boat for Grand Canyon trips, but it would be pretty heavy to fly in though.

Best luck on finding a good ride!
 

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Don’t get a Maravia for what you want to do. PAIN in the ASS to roll and get small vs. a hypalon boat. NRS or Hyside is what you want. You will also cause damage long term rolling those boats. Doesn’t affect hypalon.

Maravia is a GREAT boat to trailer but not throw on a plane, helicopter or horse.
 

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^^^ Very true!
I'd buy the Otter, and here's why; it rolls up the smallest, and assuming you're not using it 100 river days a year, it should last a lifetime. Hyside will give a little better fit and finish for a little more money, and either one is a good choice. Definitely go with about 14 foot by 7 foot, as you don't need the narrow one for smaller rivers and the extra space is important on multi day trips
 

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BTW, that Maravia would be a fantastic play boat for R4, or even 6 paddlers, but not the best expedition or fishing raft. At only 6'1" wide, you're missing out on a ton of cargo space and capacity.
 

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Initially I’d suggest a Super Puma, but you’ll want to factor weight. I’d guess it’s ~135# & add ~40-50# for a NRS frame. As mentioned earlier a Hyside would be fine too but I don’t expect the weight savings would be significant. The bigger factor is what can you live without as it sounds like you have around 600# of gear which seems kinda high. Changing to a water filter and 2-3 jugs will fit in the boat much better. 50 gallons takes a lot of space.
 
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