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O I know what to buy. I'm more interested in picking the brains of other guides that have put higher priorities on say a flip line around the waste as compared to say using a kayak throw bag that also has a tow line for both the flip line and as an on the person throw bag on order to be more personally self sustaining and have one item do three things.


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2 Locking pulley Biners
1 10' piece of webbing for an anchor or flip line or to help set shuttle
2 6' pieces of cordelette tied in a loop for prussiks
Rescue Vest
Knife
Appropriate gear to be able to spend 15 min up to my neck in water without shivering

Creekboat gear:
75' Spectra binered to the boat. Comes with me everytime I get out unless I swim or I'm taking out for the day.
2 More pieces of much larger webbing for more anchors
2 2" pulleys
3 Locking biners
First aid kit
Fire Starting kit
Food and Water as needed
Breakdown paddle
Float bags
 

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2 Locking pulley Biners
1 10' piece of webbing for an anchor or flip line or to help set shuttle
2 6' pieces of cordelette tied in a loop for prussiks
Rescue Vest
Knife
Appropriate gear to be able to spend 15 min up to my neck in water without shivering

Creekboat gear:
75' Spectra binered to the boat. Comes with me everytime I get out unless I swim or I'm taking out for the day.
2 More pieces of much larger webbing for more anchors
2 2" pulleys
3 Locking biners
First aid kit
Fire Starting kit
Food and Water as needed
Breakdown paddle
Float bags

Now that bottom stuff on your list is a good idea and something I hadn't thought about with the survival stuff. Good points!


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2 Locking pulley Biners
1 10' piece of webbing for an anchor or flip line or to help set shuttle
2 6' pieces of cordelette tied in a loop for prussiks
Rescue Vest
Knife
Appropriate gear to be able to spend 15 min up to my neck in water without shivering

Creekboat gear:
75' Spectra binered to the boat. Comes with me everytime I get out unless I swim or I'm taking out for the day.
2 More pieces of much larger webbing for more anchors
2 2" pulleys
3 Locking biners
First aid kit
Fire Starting kit
Food and Water as needed
Breakdown paddle
Float bags
This is almost exactly what I carry except I am considering adding the Astral chest rope to my Green Vest.
 

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The Astral chest rope is a waste of space IMO.

I carry 65ft of Spectra in a waist bag, 2 lengths of webbing (6ft and 14ft) for a flip line/small wrap anchor and larger anchor, 2 locking biners, 4 wire gates, 2 prussiks, 1 mechanical Prussik, 1 nylon pulley wheel, 1 2" pulley, 6ft spectra super tape, Bear Claw knife on the outside of my Green Jacket with a secondary knife in the pocket with a rope cutter hook, 2 pair nitrile gloves and CPR mask.

In the boat I carry additional equipment to be able to make a second fully functional 3:1, major med kit, breakdown, extra layers, water, head lamp, fire starter, and some food.


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I'm curious why you feel this way? I know several boaters that carry the chest bag and don't have anything negative to say about it, but I don't know that any of them have actually had to use it...
Slow to restuff into that tiny space. And it barely fits in the greenjacket pocket. Killed two zippers on greenjackets in the last year trying to get the pocket closed with that rope (and only that rope) in there.

Still use the rope bag, divested myself of the gj's.
 

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Slow to restuff into that tiny space. And it barely fits in the greenjacket pocket. Killed two zippers on greenjackets in the last year trying to get the pocket closed with that rope (and only that rope) in there.

Still use the rope bag, divested myself of the gj's.
I'd have to agree. Fills up the entire pocket with what is at best a pretty average throw bag/rope combo. In a pinch I'd much rather have a full size bag (which is clipped inside my boat) for any long or accurate throw. Keeps the pocket open for other stuff. If you want a rope on your body I like the Salamander waist bag a lot more.
 

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The rope goes behind the pocket, not in it. Mine fits fine and I have 15' of webbing and two lockers in the pocket. I have bagged several swimmers that I wouldn't have if I hadn't had a rope on my body. I've also used it for a Z-drag when my rope was submerged in a pinned raft. It's amazing.
 

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The rope goes behind the pocket, not in it. Mine fits fine and I have 15' of webbing and two lockers in the pocket. I have bagged several swimmers that I wouldn't have if I hadn't had a rope on my body. I've also used it for a Z-drag when my rope was submerged in a pinned raft. It's amazing.
Learn something every day. Thx! Having a hard time wiping away the mental pic of the belly chain though.
 

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I like having this bag on my rescue vest; stays in place well but comes off easy with a pull of the quick release.

I keep a small bottle of contact solution in my PFD for gritty runs (Escalante etc.).

Also in the emergency kit: zip ties. Duct tape. Emergency blanket.
 

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My logic on the Astral bag is that 50ft just doesn't seem to be enough rope for much of anything (except using it to make a 4:1 on a main haul system). Sure there are places that you could do a lot with 50ft of rope (Cascade Slot, Pine Creek rapid, your backyard) but in the big picture if you can carry more line that is never a bad thing.


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[Q UOTE=DoubleYouEss;366083]My logic on the Astral bag is that 50ft just doesn't seem to be enough rope for much of anything (except using it to make a 4:1 on a main haul system). Sure there are places that you could do a lot with 50ft of rope (Cascade Slot, Pine Creek rapid, your backyard) but in the big picture if you can carry more line that is never a bad thing.


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Totally agreed. This is my on my person throw bag. I've got more strapped to the boat. And in a flip kit. I'm looking to streamline and be dual purpose with the gear on my person.



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Ditto craven... Bullet bag is nice fort short distance (~30ft). Throws great when filling with water for a re-toss. Sits nice on the QR belt of pfd.

Stohlquist class V bag in the boat at all times. Great design for kayaking, not so great for rafting since it doesn't have webbing/buckle to attach it right side up. Upside down throw bags can release accidentally.

Also 4 lockers, 3 pulleys, 2 prusics, 1 10ft spectra anchor, co-pilot knife on my person.

First aid with added quick-clot, CPR mask, and repair stuff in the boat.
 
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