Ok here are the specifics. In am in the market for a new raft. I narrowed it down to Maravia, Sorar, and Hyside. Nothing with the floor matters because I will be getting a bucket boat. I was wanting some input on these brands. Right now I am leaning towards the Maravia (I went to the factory and seen there process and talked to all of the people involved). Right now I have a 16' Avon bucket and love it. But it's getting old (like 30 plus) and I want another boat that will last as long. I cannot be swayed to getting a self bailing floor. I would rather bucket water and stay upright then keep my feet dry. As I tend to do some rather smart things like dowd chutes at 9'.