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I am putting on a Deso/Gray trip in early july and I am curious what sort of equipment people recommend. I heard the flows might get pretty low this year. Is the water still high enough to bring a 16 foot raft packed to the gills with all the good stuff or should I bring a 14 footer and go light?
 

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any asshole can get down the river in a little empty boat. takes a real man to push massively overloaded rubber thru tight channels.

do you really want to be known as just another asshole?



just kidding, i honestly have no idea- just wanted to bump the thread for someone that might actually be able to help.
 

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Given there is a certain amount of gear you are going to take, the smaller your boat the lower you'll sit in the water. Go big, you'll sit higher in the rock gardens. Deso at low water has lots of rock gardens. One size bigger boat isn't really all that much harder to handle. Wind does suck though. And harder to row if you have much rocker.
 

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Don't think it makes much of a difference on this river. I would just go big because there's little difference in draft but a huge difference in comfort.
 

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Don't make no difference no how.
I've done it one time, Late July. Flow started out at 3500 cfs, dropped about 100 cfs per day. We had a 16' and a 14'. The bigger boat offers greater displacement which equates to great load carrying ability for the same draft. One had no advantage over the other. Btw, I used to own 5 boats, from 12-16 ft, a bucket, a cat, and the rest selfbailers. Now I'm down to one, and it's a 15 1/2 footer. If I could change anything, I'd get back the missing 6 inches. My wife asks for the same.
 

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I am launching July 7th and taking my 16 foot Maravia. I haven't done a low water Deso trip yet (6k was my lowest), but that river is so big that you will always have a channel to sneak on. Wind is another issue.

Also, depends if you are bringing a family with kids or not, if yes, then you should go 16 without a hesitation. Kids come with a lot of gear!
 

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My dad started talking me into buying a motorcycle when I was 14. His advice was to pick a bike and size I liked, and go one size bigger. Found that to be great advice for oar boats.
 

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Take the big one, that way you can pack more beer, so when you get stuck you can bribe someone to pull you off. In all seriousness you will be fine that time of year in a 16 footer. It will not get real boney till later in the year, and even then I have heard of people bumping down in big boat at sixteen hundred.
 

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I ran a very loaded 16' boat down at 1400 cfs and had no real trouble. Coal Creek was the only place I ever got hung up, and even that wasn't a big deal.
 
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