That response wasn't even remotely like an advertisement...not at allI posted this on a previous thread, hope this helps.
In response to oarframe, I think you need to see and experience John's frames in person. John and many others may share a different view of perfection. To quote Antoine de Saint-Exupery, "Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away." I have one of John's frames and use it regularly, around 30 to 50 times a year, to run all kinds of rivers. We run remote hike in runs like the Gunnison Gorge, and Black Canyon. We run extended multiday trips like Cataract, the Grand and the Dirty Devil. John has mastered his set up. He can load his boat with his kitchen, food for four for 6 days, a fire pan and wood, drinking water, his overnight gear, and all the other gear(safety/repair/first-aid) into his Hyside mini-me and not look overloaded. In fact every trip we go on where there is a big boat, for us that means bigger than 10.5 feet long, the rower of said raft generally is in awe of what John's frames can do. I have seen him convert around 20 big boaters into mini-mers. In fact Hyside has focused on his frame in the last catalog and according to them because of John's frames Delta CO is currently the World Capital for Mini-mes. His frames are also bomb proof, at 14 lbs he has found away to make them almost indestructible. I love my frame and he is currently building me one for my new mini-max. The best part of the frame is it is so collapsable that two people can carry the frame, the boat, the raft/fishing gear, and even overnight gear. We can be anywhere in only one load. But, they aren't for everyone. Which is good for me, because if everyone had one it would be much harder to get to rivers void of people.
On a side note, John used his frame and mini-me to do a 30 day self support (meaning he carried his own gear and food) down the grand at 40,000 cfs.
Agreed. A "going light, small boat forum would be amazing!"I think there could be a forum for small boats and going light. Now most of our trips are semi-backpack style, all the comforts of a big boat and the size and weight of a small boat. Nice for those rivers that have not the best put in or take out.
Pics of the final setup, rigged, would be awesome!I've spent all week getting my mini rigged for a six day salt trip. It's been a lot if fun. I put all my contents in ammo cans into drybags except for one small ammo can repairi kit/tool kit. My drybox and dry food storage is a bucket with a sealed lid. We are leaving the partner steel and bringing either a few wisperlites or a smaller two burner. I made a small beaver tail strictly for cases of beer.I could go on forever but would love hearing other ideas. What do people use as groovers for the mini boats?