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Good link Mario, that is definitely a seriously egregious stain on Obams.I have tremendous respect for Hedges, Chomsky, and especially Ellsberg. One point of slight disagreement :that Obama is way worse than Bush.He is bad enough.You should read Naomi Wolf 's "The End of America :Letter of Warning To A Young Patriot ", she outlines the steps common to facsist shifts from democratic societies to authoritarian dictatorships /oligarchies.Yes when you go full circle left or right they meet at totalitarianism and the labels become irrelevant.
 

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Nobody even brings up the ouster of ZELAYA in Honduras on Obama 's watch, which is absolutely more of the same old imperialism.I t used to be a major lefty issue, now few seem to notice or care.Economic and social issues drown it out.There, there are greater differences.Of all the stuff Obams gets criticized for by Republicans, civil.liberties and imperilalism are seldom mentioned.They have even more hardline positions most of the time.They claim Obama is an appeaser going around appologizing for stuff.They take offense when you point out the truth of our imperialism and extoll American exceptionalism.Mitt is already taking a tone of a return to Bush style Cowboy Diplomacy.

To the original topic, both voter suppression and union busting /vilification are among the steps of a fascist shift.It is NOT the dems doing this stuff ( since Jim Crow and the dixiecrat defection) .Both lame parties have moved the ball in a rightward direction one side is much more aggressive, proactive, unmitigated, and well funded by extremist ideologues in their efforts to fortify their power in the wake of rapidly changing demographics.The discourse has been completely distorted and dumbed down by their agents,right wing think tanks and the media outlets disseminating their propaganda, another component of. Fascist. shifts.
 

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Here is a very scary step towards full-blown totalitarianism. (I don't prefer to use the word fascism.) Notice how it's Obama who is doing and defending the new 21st century goose-step...
Would Tyranny be a better word? Yeah, Tyranny. I like that word better. I've never met anyone who could demonstrate a real understanding of "fascism." Note that the people who support tyrants never see themselves the way history sees them. We all need to keep an eye on our own ideas ... a-a-and... where they would lead us. We need to look beyond our own anger, and see where it will lead if followed to their ultimate conclusion.

No man is entirely sane when he is angry, fevered, in pain or drunk. Or in love.
 

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As a law abiding US citizen with no arrest record, I have a constitutional right to buy a firearm. Do you object to any ID checks there?
Shela Jackson-Lee Democrat, introduced gun confiscation legislation this morning and only federally licensed people will be allowed to own guns. Here it comes!
 

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Shela Jackson-Lee Democrat, introduced gun confiscation legislation this morning and only federally licensed people will be allowed to own guns. Here it comes!
A friend that lives outside Chicago relates it's already that way there...

I foresee a whole lot of rather distasteful things coming down the pipe in the next 4 years... Buckle up, gonna be a rocky ride as we watch our constitutional rights challenged, all in the name of socialism, cause it's worked so well other places...
 

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A friend that lives outside Chicago relates it's already that way there...

I foresee a whole lot of rather distasteful things coming down the pipe in the next 4 years... Buckle up, gonna be a rocky ride as we watch our constitutional rights challenged, all in the name of socialism, cause it's worked so well other places...
I foresee an ass chewing in your future. Expect name calling and insinuation.
 

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Shela Jackson-Lee Democrat, introduced gun confiscation legislation this morning and only federally licensed people will be allowed to own guns. Here it comes!
That's BS plain and simple. The proposed legislation includes registration (you know, like our cars and trailers), safe storage, and tightening oversight of gun and ammo dealers (like maybe so any crazed idiot can't get 3,000 rounds of armor piercing ammo off the interwebs). Nothing about confiscation.

And... this has absolutely zero chance of passing even a Democratic-controlled House and Senate.

First thing that popped up in a search:

 
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I'm probably the friend MNichols refers to.

If you like the idea of having to apply for a state Firearm Owners Identification Card (for which the state now has a five month processing backlog) before you can buy ammo, own, sell, or even handle a gun in a store, you will love the system here.

In addition to having a FOID card to do any of the above, every private transfer also has to be approved by the State Police in a separate transaction. An approval number is then issued to the private seller, who must retain this record of the transaction for ten years. That is for a private firearm transaction.

State commercial sale restrictions are parallel -- and of course are in addition to the Federal regs in place nationally.

So when you hear about national legislation on universal background checks, this is the model to which they aspire.

Forewarned is forearmed.

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You are indeed the friend I was referring to.

Warms the heart that these regulations have done so much to put a halt to violent crime and murder... Oh wait...
Illinois
• Violent crime rate:
404.1 per 100,000 people
• Total 2018 murders: 884 (4th highest)
• Imprisonment rate: 418 adults per 100,000 (18th lowest)
• Poverty rate: 12.1% (22nd lowest)
• Most dangerous city: Danville
Illinois is one of the 19 states where the violent crime rate exceeds 400 incidents per 100,000 people. As is typically the case, crime in the state is concentrated in urban areas. In Chicago, the most populous city in Illinois, 27,357 violent crimes were committed in 2018, more than half the total number of crimes reported in the state that year.
Still, after adjusting for population Chicago does not rank as the most dangerous city in the state – that distinction goes to Danville. There were 1,791.5 reported incidents of rape, robbery, homicide, and aggravated assault for every 100,000 people in Danville in 2018, well above Chicago's violent crime rate of 1,006.1 per 100,000.
 

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The trope that "high crime rates in cities shows that regulation of guns is pointless" is a fallacy. We have (fortunately) unrestricted access across state lines with widely varying gun laws. The attempt to regulate guns has always been undermined by the fact that, for example, anyone can load up their trunk at a gun show in Louisville Kentucky, drive to Chicago, and make an enormous profit.
 
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You are indeed the friend I was referring to.

Warms the heart that these regulations have done so much to put a halt to violent crime and murder... Oh wait...
Illinois
• Violent crime rate:
404.1 per 100,000 people
• Total 2018 murders: 884 (4th highest)
• Imprisonment rate: 418 adults per 100,000 (18th lowest)
• Poverty rate: 12.1% (22nd lowest)
• Most dangerous city: Danville
Illinois is one of the 19 states where the violent crime rate exceeds 400 incidents per 100,000 people. As is typically the case, crime in the state is concentrated in urban areas. In Chicago, the most populous city in Illinois, 27,357 violent crimes were committed in 2018, more than half the total number of crimes reported in the state that year.
Still, after adjusting for population Chicago does not rank as the most dangerous city in the state – that distinction goes to Danville. There were 1,791.5 reported incidents of rape, robbery, homicide, and aggravated assault for every 100,000 people in Danville in 2018, well above Chicago's violent crime rate of 1,006.1 per 100,000.
These statistics to me define the horror of unrestricted gun access; that is, when anyone can buy a cheap gun on the street, some purchased to commit crimes(some for self protection). These statistics, are proof of a one to one positive correlation between easy gun access and crime(throw in a bunch of poverty in that equation). Imagine how much worse it might have been.

I just love that NRA logic of the solution to crime and gun violence, which is, to give everyone an unregistered gun with unlimited ammunition. These statistics are proof that that logic is bogus.

Thanks Andy, I just saw your post after posting my comment.
 

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I'm probably the friend MNichols refers to.

If you like the idea of having to apply for a state Firearm Owners Identification Card (for which the state now has a five month processing backlog) before you can buy ammo, own, sell, or even handle a gun in a store, you will love the system here.

In addition to having a FOID card to do any of the above, every private transfer also has to be approved by the State Police in a separate transaction. An approval number is then issued to the private seller, who must retain this record of the transaction for ten years. That is for a private firearm transaction.

State commercial sale restrictions are parallel -- and of course are in addition to the Federal regs in place nationally.

So when you hear about national legislation on universal background checks, this is the model to which they aspire.

Forewarned is forearmed.

Rich Phillips
Those gun access laws all make complete sense.

Strict gun laws where necessary make complete sense. Consider the attempt to overthrow the constitution, democracy and our beautiful country a few days ago. If not for Washington DC gun laws that the domestic terrorist were forced to adhere, those worked up "pround boys" would have killed every rino and democrat in congress; not to mentioned the totally out numbered security. Democracy was likely saved by "gun laws".
 

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You're way off base old buddy, and I feel I'm going to wish I'd stayed out of this.

All the gun crime in Illinois -- as our politicians repeatedly assure us -- is because of the lax gun laws in adjacent states. If every other state had our controls, crime would melt away.

Of course they can never quite explain why crime in Iowa, Wisconsin, Missouri, Kentucky, and Indiana (with relaxed firearms regulations and big cities like Indianapolis) is not rampant like it is in Cook County and Chicago.

Because the answer is a complicated mix of political corruption, gang influences, dysfunctional schools and families, and a broken judicial/law enforcement system.

But I digress and vaguely return to the topic.

Illinois' draconian system has been in place since the 1960s, never overturned in court, and will be held up as a model for a national system. Stay tuned for movement in that direction now that we essentially have one party government in DC.

But I have to add that I continue to be amazed some people think that the existence of a freestanding law against carrying a gun would somehow influence an individual bent on carrying out a violent firearm crime like murder.

Rich
 
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