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What a stupid run.


Okay, okay, okay, before Cheeseman lovers out there get all worked up, I'll admit it's just about as beautiful a place as there is in the state. But the fact is, at least at 245 cfs, it just isn't very runnable.

Many of the lines that do (should) actually go in this three-mile-long sieve (prolly about four miles of flattish water) just aren't reasonable. Don't get me wrong, I generally love the mank. But, a clean line avoiding certain-death often involves paddling uphill on damp, grabby-ass granite, or landing on a barely-submerged rock hoping momentum is enough to take you forward instead of into the numerous death-slots surrounding you.

Boo-hoo, poor me, I just don't have the game, That's fine, whatever. However, in my world, for a run to earn "classic" class V status there are a couple of factors involved. They include: Aesthetics, whitewater quality, runnability, and an "oomph" factor. "Oomph" meaning: after I put it on the line do I get more than a sense of accomplishment out of running a rapid? i.e. Big South- you "feel" those rapids. Cheeseman has very few of these.

Anyway, our crew all agreed that it makes for a great adventure, but we're not in a rush to get back there. Some final thoughts- we encountered no real issues w/ the SP residents, and this is a V+ run, the books keep sandbagging it.
 

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I'm no colorado local, so I don't know all the business surrounding the cheeseman. All I know is that it is one of my favorite runs that I've gotten on while I've been here. I'm not sure what the level was, but everything was very runnable. Maybe 245 is a bit low. Compared to all the manky, sharp ass rocks in colorado, cheeseman was a great run.

And we didn't have any access troubles, other than some interesting comments from some of the fisherman. Big thanks to Gordon for leading the charge.

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I agree that at 250 the cheese isn't so fun. Last year a crew and I hiked in there and scouted the drops with to see if we could return and keyak. After scouting we opted not to paddle.

This year I was able to rally the run at 300; I was suspect if this small increase would make a difference. It does and I came away considering this run a classic. The rapids are big and intimidating; a mistake could be very costly.

Maybe check this out again w/ more flow - I did and it was definalely worth it!:???:
 

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Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! I bet if you ran all of you "classic" runs at 60 cfs below the recommened level, that you wouldn't think that any of the runs were classic. 246 is way too low. I would say that 300 is about the minimum level for fun.

It is a CLASSIC regaurdless if the RCRE didn't have a good time. Maybe your pants were too tight and it left you uncomfortable in your pelvic region, I dunno. In any case take Routters rants as just that, a whining rant and get in there, it is awsome!
 

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What a stupid run.


Okay, okay, okay, before Cheeseman lovers out there get all worked up, I'll admit it's just about as beautiful a place as there is in the state. But the fact is, at least at 245 cfs, it just isn't very runnable.

Many of the lines that do (should) actually go in this three-mile-long sieve (prolly about four miles of flattish water) just aren't reasonable. Don't get me wrong, I generally love the mank. But, a clean line avoiding certain-death often involves paddling uphill on damp, grabby-ass granite, or landing on a barely-submerged rock hoping momentum is enough to take you forward instead of into the numerous death-slots surrounding you.

Boo-hoo, poor me, I just don't have the game, That's fine, whatever. However, in my world, for a run to earn "classic" class V status there are a couple of factors involved. They include: Aesthetics, whitewater quality, runnability, and an "oomph" factor. "Oomph" meaning: after I put it on the line do I get more than a sense of accomplishment out of running a rapid? i.e. Big South- you "feel" those rapids. Cheeseman has very few of these.

Anyway, our crew all agreed that it makes for a great adventure, but we're not in a rush to get back there. Some final thoughts- we encountered no real issues w/ the SP residents, and this is a V+ run, the books keep sandbagging it.
for the record I ran it once in 1998 and on the way out told my friends I would never go back for all the reasons you listed above and I have never been back. I think you hit the nail on the head...every cool move in there is punctuated by the fact that you just slid by some horrible sieve. not a fan...

to each his own....right?
 

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All I know about Cheesman is that Gary Edgeworth has called it the most dangerous run in Colorado. Now that is scary. That is enough of a warning that I know I'll never even consider it.
 

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I agree it is a beautiful run and it was definitely an adventure - we hiked in back in the "If you tresspass we will shoot you" days of 1997. We did miss a couple of the quality drops because of the hike. However, the other good drops tended to be walked because of consequences and if it wasn't for the one slide, I would have been disappointed. As far as "classic" I would disagree. I would say more like obscure adventure with high possibility of hostiles, worth doing if all the other shit has dried up. As for me, I agree with Mike Harvey and I probably won't be back, especially since I have another ten years on my back since the last trip down.

Just a geological note....the Pikes Peak granite formed by the batholith of the same name, is probably equally responsible for the paddlers' Cheeseman dichotomy. That is, all those coarse and carved boulders and bedrock that create the beauty of the landscape also create the difficulty of the run.
 

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usually i keep my mouth shut on these posts but since i was involved in this shit show i will add my two sense. first of all lotsof water at least we have nuts to squeeze into tight pants. who wears pants kayaking anyway. keep your p*$$y shut. second , cheeseman sucks! the only thing worth a shit on this run was slide for life, and some fun 4wheeling. i dont recomend that crap to anyone. the poor pathitic losers at s.p. can have that garbage.
 

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It's a great run with great drops. It's dangerous for sure, the lines are sweet and run smooth. Let's think east coast classics- Lower meadow, lineville, manns. All scary consquences but great runs.

Great thing about kayaking runs like cheeseman, don't get much traffic which is fine by me. All great class 5 runs have dangerous rapids, cheeseman just has the most by far. It also has some of the best drops in Colorado.

Be safe and glad some of you folks got it and can make up your own mind

Gary
 

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Big South, ya, no, but Cheeseman at 300 cfs is good. Period. At 246 cfs I could see how things might be less padded and how some options could close down forcing more portages and mankier lines. But seriously, Routdog, this ain;t about Cheeseman at all is it. This about lotsawater and your mom. Now that's a manky line. Plus Nick Wigglestix, who is on the verge of being a father, went in there and laid the smackdown on that penisbusterparfait at 250 cfs, um no problemo so... what's your excuse again.

Reading the RCRE bitch about how bad Cheeseman is - waste of time.

Responding to bitching - even worse waste of time.

Watching Gordo charge head down past the Park County Sheriff with 13 paddlers in tow - priceless.
 

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The Enforcer

1st: What do you enforce? The complete shame of your posssee, the RCRE besides Nick (the Native American) Hinds and the legend Mr. Carrburry are a bunch of COME TO THE POUDRE AND GET YOUR ASSES KICKED Chode boys!
disclaimer: The guy who owns the pizza joint is cool, however I understand that he is a mountain biker (he has an aggressive go-tee) so is Jay from Jay and silent Bob. And old man river Gerber is the shit of all shit. . . moving along.

2nd: When was the last time that you filmed some North Fork of the Big Upper South Big Platte without getting handed?

I'm calling you out biatch!
"Enforecehasnoteethliveswithhismomandhasonlyonewomaninshispatheticlife...hismom...heisahugefanoftomcruiseandalsohasfantisiesofmakinglovetofrontrangefred..." BUT THE STRAWBERRY HOTSPRINGS ARE SWEET!

It is in times like these that I resort to one of the legends. . . and I quote (with a couple of name changes. .. .sorry Marty) Enforcer: "I think that bear creek was a little bit higher than this morning" Kayaking Legend to Enforcer: "It's not higher you just F$%^king Suck!" and the crowd goes wild. Same but differnet at Cheeseman

If you were there it was priceless, and you know who you are.. . Marty.

Enforcer, if you don't have the balls to step up to the Coloradomankymank than maybe you should move to somewher safer, like Kansas or Nebraska. Maybe you should check out a touring boat, some call them recreational boats, take your Mom fishing, she loves the big catch, IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.

In closing:
I bet your daddy was a Texan, in fact, I'll be you a 30 day mustache that you have some Texan blood in ya. .. . and No I am not Texan to answer all that now my prowess. .. .... .any takers?

As always, Enforcer is a douche bag, and boof and release.

ps. Enforcer you are on the list. .. . .... whatever that means.
 

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Chheeesedicks

See why I hate the BUZZ you guys, some weenie who likes to scrape through runs way low then diss em. Try Eldo at 80 CFS I hear that one sucks too. Anyhow I logged on to try and see if anyone knows which gauge to watch for the Clarks Fork since it's getting close or in this guys case maybe I should wait until November to run it then get on and say how bad Clarks Fork runs at 245 CFS.

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Shit I rafted it at 310 with only 2 more short portages then the kayaks and you can't get your kayak down at 245, puss. Cheeseman is my favorite raft run in CO, that I never get to do. (I had pnumonia for this round or I would have fired that shit up.)

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i have never run the cheese [yet?], but have followed the access issues there for a decade. We almost got on it once, years ago around 400, but decided to go elsewhere, as neither of us had any beta on the put-in or the run. If it indeed has "some of the best drops in colorado", i will try to get on it one day. what are these "best" drops, and what is the ideal flow for a 1st-timer? thx
 

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all this from a fat mortgage broker who i hear used to be an ok kayaker but now because your fat, sucks at boating. i hear your a good swimmer though.you can call me out all you want pole smoker. i dont waste my time with front range faggots. heres the deal man pleaser, i boat cause its fun and most of the people involved with the sport are cool, its losers like yourself that really ruin a cool sport. me personally i thought cheesedick wasnt worth the effort.mabey with more water it is. by the way bobber is probally one of the bigger chodes in town, i guess thats why you like him. as to what i enforce ask dave moss. but if you want to find out yourself bring it porky.
 

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Enforcer - Were you expecting something different. Doing a little research you would have found a legend saying the cheese is the most dangerous run in CO and stuff like "God help you if you're a wannabe." 240cfs is way to low. 300 is bare minimum, 400 is probably optimal, and 500 would be juice'n but doable. Sorry you didn't have a goodtime but if you looking for sympathy you went about the wrong way.

And for all you others, I'm back biatches. BLC was the shiat. Look for some trip reports to come and get ready for the box (its at 1,200 cfs and I'm thinking 800 cfs is the target) and by the box I don't mean Pete's Mom's delicate regions.
 

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ARRR some of you Guys should really just shut up and paddle instead of acting like 10 year old girls on here. I barely post anything on here, but itsn't this supposed to be a friendly thing? Enforcer you sound like you are just looking for trouble, why don't you just stop bitching and either do one of two things.... go paddle or go meet a lady, then maybe you'll ne happy
 

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...wow...--- Lmao router! Awesome.

As for deforestation, at the rate you're going everyone on this board will have thrown you a rope. Eldo at 80 would be sik! Don't piss the paddlers off, go find us another shitty run around hippies.

Steven, penis into slap your mamma is awesome, dos chaos, punji. Alot of great rapids. They are paddler drop rapids though, not one stroke and huck. 250/300 is good first time. I actually have never been in under 300. I have been told by great boaters 250 is good with not as much meat to screw you up. You want to work the levels up as it is a very dangerous run. The place is awesome. And where else can you talk a friend into jamming himself under a grate cause you think it will work? It's been paddled up to 550cfs and was completely stompin with some carnage.

Force, box is almost ready. Bull lake is in also.

who is Dave Moss?

Gary
 
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