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I have done both on many trips over the years. But I want to hear some reasons to layover or not. Personally, I think I prefer to keep it moving each day. I'd rather have short mileage days on the water where I'm in no rush and the need to pack up and break down keeps the flow going. I look back over the years and most of the layovers I've done, while nice, it seems we just sit around mostly and don't really do anything. I have had some really nice layover camps, but never really got out of camp to do much. Most of the time everyone just seems to get really hammered and all the meals become a major struggle. Then when you actually have to go somewhere the next day everyone is really hungover and the process is really slow and you have to make miles to cover the layover. As I said I enjoy and have done both. What do you think about a layover day.
 

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... it seems we just sit around mostly and don't really do anything....
Yup, ya got that part right.

But doing nothing often includes a hike, bocci or horseshoes, water coloring/photography/writing/etc., a card game, swimming, fishing, reading, a Broncos game on the radio, yes some drinking (quantities and other indulgences are a personal matter...) and the list goes on.

One less time each of de-rigging and re-rigging boats, kitchen, toilets, & tents is less 'work', and thus more time for doing nothing!

Trips are a lot of work before and after, and adding a day just makes the efforts to get there that much more worth it. A day 'off' on a long trip is a reward at the very least, with the ceiling being up to the individual. Just step it up a little!

I schedule one per week of every trip, with a one layover minimum. Except Westwater of course.

So YES to layovers whenever possible. Hope that helps.
 

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No layover

Personally I think that layovers are for the older crowd. The grandpa river rats if you will. They are for the 50 + crowd that likes to sit around and spend time in camp. Me, I prefer to spend time on the river in my boat. That's what it's all about the rafting part, not the camping part.
 

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Personally I think that layovers are for the older crowd. The grandpa river rats if you will. They are for the 50 + crowd that likes to sit around and spend time in camp. Me, I prefer to spend time on the river in my boat. That's what it's all about the rafting part, not the camping part.
nice try Kevin Bacon it turns out you are 57! We know you want to shag Meryl on those layover days and shoot her BF with your pistol.
 

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I say go for the layover. Spend an extra day. If you are going to spend the same amount of days either way, then maybe it doesn't matter as much. Though on our Grand trip, I remember the layovers the most.
 

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We did two layovers on the Main Salmon a couple of weeks ago. Kids went fishing, jumped off rocks, played on kayaks and SUPs. Fantastic. Paid for it with a 25 mile day, but it was worth it.
 

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Layovers get a big thumbs up from me. For many of the reasons DoStep outlined above. But it did take me awhile to get used to the layover concept. My work life is all about being productive, so getting comfortable with the idea of doing nothing was hard at first. I finally decided that I needed to adjust my definition of being productive and learn to relax. We generally pull out all the stops on dutch oven meals on layovers. We also play a lot of cards & bocci on layovers. Layovers are some of my most memorable times on a river trip because I've learned the right mix of rest, relaxation, group time for fun, and alone time for myself. After a layover, I'm rested, recharged, and ready to roll on down the river again.
 

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double layovers are so much more luxurious!! 1 day to hike, 1 day to relax!
we did 3 double and 2 single layovers on my last grand trip. totally worth making up some extra miles here and there.
 

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More lounging & hiking vs less rigging, striking tents, rolling pads, setting up kitchen, blah, blah, blah...
 

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I'm in my 30's and I love layovers. They're not worth it if you have to do 30+ mile days everywhere else. But they are some of the best parts of a river trip. It's a chance to go for a big hike in the front half of the day. It's pretty hard to get out on a big hike and see amazing country, but still be back for some down time before dinner, unless you throw in some layovers. I personally keep trying add more days to my trips so I can do more layovers.

To me they are the reward for all the work. I've never had trouble finding something to do on a layover day on the river.
 

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I can appreciate a layover, especially when floating a raft, or at a campsite that has lots of exploring to do (Chinle on the SJ comes to mind), but generally if self supporting from a kayak I can have camp torn down and loaded in about 15 minutes. In these situations I prefer to float a couple miles a day and put the extra time towards hiking more terrain.
 

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On most western multidays, I really enjoy a layover day. Especially in the middle of the trip or last third.

Layover days give the boater a chance to really relax, clean up body and stinky clothing, hike, nap at will and generally recharge.

As mentioned before, if a layover creates excessive miles (excessive miles depends on the river and conditions) I would probably just keep on grinding altho getting to camp early afternoon can almost be the same as a layover day.
 

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I'm squarely in the "layovers are great" camp. Having a day of no rigging, setting up & breaking down, etc. is awesome. Especially if there are great hikes, historical sites, or swimming opportunities nearby. I also love cooking, so having a layover day is an opportunity to fix something special. Plus, my day-to-day life is busy enough that having a day where nothing is required other than loafing on the beach is pretty awesome.

Having enough shelter from the elements is important, though. If it's really hot, laying over without any shade can be a drag (even under a tarp), and I remember quite fondly a layover day on the Rogue where it must've rained 2 inches in 24 hours (well, it seemed that way, anyway). Shelter is good.
 

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Often towards the start of a river trip, i still feel the compression of finishing work, packing gear, driving, rigging, and running shuttle. Layovers, along with half layovers, and just plain taking your time on the river, help a lot to get rid of this, for me.

Had a hellatious 7 hours of shuttling this spring to and from pikaroon on the N.P. for a 2 day trip, got on the water after 7:30, HUGE stone fly hatch, was awesome!
Sat in camp till noon drinking coffee and beers. Took our sweet ass time getting to take out, think i got home after 12:00 that night.
Totally worth it!

Important to break those psychological ties with society and the rat race, lay overs and the like do a lot for that.

Plus all the afore mentioned reasons for lay overs.

Mmmm. Home steading on a river, only did that once, not a good circumstance though, the longest G.C. trip on record did that sort of thing a lot, could be preaty awesome, months in the grand would probly be life changing.
 

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nice try Kevin Bacon it turns out you are 57! We know you want to shag Meryl on those layover days and shoot her BF with your pistol.
shoot her BF with your "pistol".....hehehe - you said pistol - hehehe...

I think Kevin's character had some repressed feelings there...

And now to echo others on this thread:
One of the most precious (yes, I said precious) experiences in life, is to do nothing. In these modern lives, we are waaay too infatuated with "doing" (otherwise known as "distraction"). And what could be sweeter than doing nothing beside a RIVER?? NOTHING.....in my book, anyways. ;)
 

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Home steaded at spanish bottom once in all most constant rain for 4 days because my trip wanted to let cataract drop down from the unexpected 30,000's range, that was not fun,
would have been way happier boating, but no one wanted to run there 13' sized rafts down it at that flow,(mature cotton woods with intact root systems and leaves floating by must not have helped) had time for pizza and b-day cake in the dutch oven though!
 

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I enjoy a layover morning, get on the river by at least 3 pm. But seriously, I don't care for them. Did one this spring on the selway and after we all floated past the other spots we could have been at we regretted it and we had a long ass day.
 

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Since we love layovers, we plan extra river days in advance. No need to do long mileage days if you factor the layover into your plan from the start. We have also done the short mileage day "mini layover" thing. Other than not getting to sleep in, those are pretty nice as well.
 
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