I was not the starter nor a participant in the conversation. Hw marine was getting chewed up over it for making a ( KIA of cat frames ) and I saw it.Joe please post pictures of your frame designs as you seem to have such strong opinions about everyone else's. The frame you are so ignorantly trashing was built to my specifications for my specific needs. Sean at Headwaters Marine did a fantastic job and a timely build at a fare price. I talked to all the other frame makers that you mentioned and as you May well know they're either not making frames anymore or booked out for a year. If you understand anything about design you understand that we all Stand On The Backs of those that came before us in design. There is no stealing going on just using
good ideas and tweaking them for specific needs. If you take a minute to look or ask why things are the way they are you might actually learn something new.
When Dave at madcatter and Greg could not make a frame for me found somebody that could and they did a great job. There may be a good reason for the things that you see that you don't understand. If someone wants a frame made I recommend at Headwaters Marine. View attachment 64992
I don’t even know who you are ? I am not a frame designer either and no where have I claimed to be one. You may want to check out the Raft and Catraft Frame Discussion group if you want to talk designs and such