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All you high and mighty front rangers are too much. Striking parallels can actually be drawn between the front range and texas.

1. The insane number of gapers that come from both places. Mountain town studies have actually shown that per capita, the front range and texas are neck and neck when it comes to gaping.

2. Only paddlers forced at gunpoint would ever want to go and visit either of the two. Only a true front ranger can tell the difference between a front range play park and a texas park. The only real difference between the two is the amount of driving time it actually takes to get to a good river

3. When it comes to oil and manky ass low volume runs, both texas and the front range lead the nation. After a few more gaciations and ten million years it is concievable that front range rivers may clean themselves up however, as for texas there is no hope.

Hopefully all you front rangers can see the parallels here and stop picking on these poor texans. It's like two homeless guys arguing over who's shanty is nicer. Ya'll are missing the bigger picture here.
 

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The real big picture

The real deal is that any 'playpark' located in an urban or suburban setting is going to be beset with runoff pollution, be it in Colorado, Texas, Minnesota, Ohio, California, etc etc. Where a person is from or paddles does not or should not denigrate their paddling.

More than half of Colorado's population is from 'out-of-state', e.g. they're foreigners, non-native, whatever..... It doesn't matter where they're from, at least they paddle. It doesn't matter whether you live in the hills or in Denver or in some God-awful place like Amarillo.

The whole stupid elitist attitude crap of some paddlers, skiers, and boarders who think because they live where access is freely available on a daily basis, that they are somehow better than anyone else is BS. Broad assumptions based upon locale are as idiotic as they idiots who make them.
 

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I agree 100%....but isn't it great we live in Durango. Ha, Ha!
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Hyde, I'm going to go out on a limb here, but I'm guessing you work at a desk somewhere.

By the frequency of my posts you can probaly guess the same. I'm a bookkeeper for an internet company, I spend all day on this site puffin' bowls and dreaming of boating. Fortuantly I only work four days a week and spend the rest of the time skiing or boating.
 

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yup yup yup

I'm the Software Configuration Manager for a company out next to the airport. A truly good gig in a town where jobs that pay real money are rare.

Let's hook up sometime for a beer or five, and let me know if you ever want to go scout rivers from the air, I fly quite a bit.

Mike aka da Spikeman
 

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Hyde,
I too feel lucky to have a good job in an area where good jobs are few and far between. I'm 25 and I still have not adjusted to not skiing 100 days in a year and taking a little summer school just to break up the constant boating. That is the price you pay when you enter the feild of accounting. Jeez....I'm feeling depressed.


We should catch up this spring and surf some of this run off. It sould be good this year.
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Ha ha ha

I haven't had 100+ days of skiing/boarding in over 5 yrs... I think the last time was 139 days... and that about killed me.


I am up for a lot of boating this spring and summer. I'm checking into new creekers, not real happy about what I am seeing... they've shrunk those boats too. Thinking of getting a Riot Sniper, or a Dagger CFS. I have always had great luck with Dagger boats...

I'm PM you my contact info
 

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Front Rangers or “Rangers” vs. Texans – Agreed that they both have their good and their bad traits. I think that I have to say that I would rather deal with Texans over “Rangers” for the following reasons:

1. Texans for the most part know that they are gapers and accept this role in the pecking order of the resort, backcountry, or play spot. Texans also seem to have some grasp that they just do not get it and happily play out their week or so vacation by spending money and sticking to the easy terrain or guided tours. They take the ribbing that we give them and happily return for another short stay. Texans also do not live and support a tax base that is constantly attempting to lower our overall quality of life up here by buying the water and transferring it over basins for the soooo important blue grass lawns on the Front Range. Aside from driving at an extremely slow pace and that loud accent most Texans are extremely easy to deal with and are not attempting to change our lifestyle at a fundamental level.

2. “Rangers” for some reason feel the need to prove to us hillbilly locals that they actually know what they are doing. For most this is a big mistake (trust me that matching REI outfit does not make you fit in up here). “Rangers” seem to feel the need explain how they skied 100 days a year while they were in college. We don’t care! One sign that you are a “ranger” is if you even keep track of the days you spent here or there. Most of you are skiing at the same level as those Texans everybody loves to make fun of anyway. Then if anyone pokes a bit of fun at a “Ranger” they get right in you face to let you know how ass backward everything is up here in our little hic utopia. The “Rangers” seem to be in a race up to the hills passing Texans or anyone else who gets in their way and and for what? - Everything is still going to be here even if you get here 5 min later. Finally when that bell rings – that bell that every “Ranger” is familiar with the one that rings clear and calls back the endless line of cars at 3pm or so every Sunday us hillbilly folk can relax, then go back to just lookin out for the slow Texans and not worry about getting blindsided by a fast driving “Ranger” in a huge SUV wanting to get home to catch the latest reality show on TV.

Now all of you “Rangers” don’t get the wrong idea. We appreciate you coming up for a visit. Just remember that you are visiting and just because you live on the Front Range does not make you local up here. In reality it is just the opposite. Remember the policies that you support by living in a Front Range community. Many of these policies are in a direct conflict with the small communities that are west of Bailey or the Eisenhower Tunnel. That is why “Rangers” are looked down upon from time to time by true locals. Rangers are little by little taking the resources that support our way of life. We fully realize that our small communitie(s) cannot compete with the dollars that the Front Range machine can generate and too many times we are seen as simply a place to recreate for a couple of weekends a year or a place to steal natural reasources from. Now I know that some of you are good little “Rangers” but you are in the vast minority of total people down there and when looking at the entire picture I realize that my rant will not get to many of the people that I am talking about.

So in my opinion “Rangers” need to take some leads from the Texans and I have to agree with waynechorter that most “Rangers” are closer to “Texans” than they would like to admit.
 

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People that claim "native" are just as lame texans. It's not where your from, its where your at, mofo. Gimme back my 5mins for reading this junk.
 

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no kidding

yup yup yup... them granite clouds do have a slight solidity to them now, don't they?

It's not F54 anymore, they changed it about 3 or 4 years ago to GKY. My fav airport to fly into here in Colorado (and you may call me nuts for it) is Telluride (TEX). I went in there last summer early morning as the sun was coming up over the peaks just enough to light up the runway. If I hadn't been too busy flying the plane, it would have made for a beautiful picture. It looked like an aircraft carrier deck as I slipped down from FL124...
 

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Hey RDNEK, pretty funny. It's an interesting story but I would like for you to clear up some things for me. From your story am I to assume that all people who live in the mountains are somehow gifted with the mountain spirit? I mean do all those hollywood types in Aspen fit in, are they locals? I mean they do live in the mountains so they must be gifted, right? Those people that live in Vail and Steamboat and some of them in Summit County they must have the mountain gift as well, right?
You have just described every urban vs rural scenario I have ever heard. The rural people are happy with were they live and hate the urban people crowding their streets on the weekends but love to take their money. I have lived in both environments and both have their dummy's. Due to the amount of people in the urban environment we will generally have more of them. As far as trying to fit in with the locals, come on give me a break.
 

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to add to this little battle of the urban vs mtns........

We all want to live the good life way up in the mtns. Except when you get sick and need a hospital, then we all wish we were closer to the urban health care. Or, you want to live in Summit County but your job depends on the touroids, rangers, or whoever your customers are.

It's a ying-yang thang........we're all part of the same coin whether you live on one side or the other and you can't be one w/o the other....or something like that.


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You people need to read the post by Mountainbuns and think about what is really important.
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hmmm what is importantr?

A job

Raising your kid (psssssst, it's not all that painful, plus you get to relive your childhood)

Water to drink and paddle in (make sure it's upstream from the chicken farms/ranches in Arkansas...sorry Tommy, I had to get that in)

Cold Beer

Pizza (cold or hot)

A wife or GF who understands disappearing with your mistress means you're on the river[/b]
 

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Man I hope this storm brings some good snow so I don't have to read these stupid ass rants anymore. Stop worrying about where people are from and just do your thing. Or, go back to high school.
 

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Don't make sweeping generalizations about a huge group of people.
That's pure ignorance - it's the same thought process that leads to racism.
Just because a person is from Texas doesn't mean they belong to the NRA.
Just because a person is from Denver doesn't mean they drive a huge SUV and think they're better than "Texans"
Just because a person is African-American doesn't mean they're in a gang.
Get the idea? : Don't stereotype. Don't stereotype Texans, don't stereotype people that live in Colorado Springs and don't stereotype people that live in the mountains.
Get a clue.[/b]
 

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Hello,

I am just poking a bit of fun out at you “rangers” so don’t get all bent out of shape or take it to personal urban vs. Rural is a never ending debate. Yes we are a deeper shade of Red up here and Gh between you and me we probably have more ignorance up here than down on the Front Range. As Far as the “mountain spirit” you talk about well I was told by an “old timer” that it was best found at the bottom of a bottle of whiskey. Gb you might disagree but Aspen is one of the best examples of a “local” mountain community. The only problem is that you need 7 figures or had to start in about 1930 to get in but live there for a couple of years and you will know what I mean.

The point that I was attempting to make earlier could be stated by “your actions speak so loudly that I cannot hear a word that you are sayin”. If you live on the Front Range you are supporting the policies, politicians, and the TAX BASE that is very detrimental to many rivers up here. Even if you have the best motives as many of my Front Range friends have - livin in the Front Range still supports these policies and all “rangers” are contributing to the machine that constantly is sucking the water from the mountains and takin it to the Front Range. So it is at least in part where you are from (or call home) and not just were you are at (or your mind set).
 

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I understood the poking of fun and was just trying to hand some back but I still think you are trying to make a point. You don't use any less water than I do. You just take it out at a different point and I might point out that you pollute it as well and you do it in the Mountains while I do it at a place that no one seems to care about from a beauty standpoint. The more people that live your lifestyle, the more the places I love to go are polluted. As Tomcat said, two sides to every coin.
 

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If you live in BV then you must profit in some way from the front range (you either work at the jail or you profit from rafters). If you're profiting from the front range, then by your tax base argument, you're supporting front range policies. I sure am glad that you don't represent even a small part of what all other locals think.
 

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now wait a minute

I ain't from Texas all y'all (I learned how to say that down there properly), but I do belong to the NRA, Republican Party, etc etc... nothing like toting a gun in the old kayak, y'all know what I mean? It comes in real handy for them pesky fishermen/women/folk. Oh yeah... I used to live on the front range about 3 years ago and I drive an SUV too...well... a wannabe SUV (kia sportage)....

On a serious note... There are no places left that do not have some form of pollution going on, be it man-made or nature-made. Tourists bring money to support our economy, like it or not...we need them all over this state, whether they're from Colorado or BFE.

Water is an age-old issue here in the west. Everybody wants it, most simply waste it for the most part. I have a crazy idea though. why can't we have a pipeline from the Missisippi River to here? Last time I flew over that river, it occurred to me there is an awful lot of water heading out into the gulf. They build pipelines to transit NG and Oil.... why not water from somewhere it's just going to waste? The Alaskan Pipeline pumps 1,004,000 bbls of oil a day.

Translate into water and you are talking: 42,168,000 gallons of water.. that's a lot of water... something to think about.
 
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