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Has anyone ever heard of a Star boat missing a baffle? I bought my used last year, great deal! Yesterday it came apart at a seem and much to my surprise there was no baffle, and no evidence of a repair when it could have possibly been removed? Any experience with this?
 

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I have never heard of this before, but I'm curious. Just to be sure, you have two valves with no baffle at all between them? How did you fail to notice this before? Didn't the air that you blew into one valve just go right out the other valve? Seems like a pretty big oversight by the Star factory and by their QC people in the US.
 

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Ok maybe a little more info, but really not much... Bought the boat last year... Made be Star in 2001.. All has been great! Yes it has hot yes it was the day before my birthday... And yes there was a hole in one of the seems and when I looked in no baffle! Over sight? Well not sure? But no sight of baffle, not blaming Star, or anyone for that matter, gratful to know now the situation, especially at home, not on river (I think that is the present)!! Just wondering WTF? And feeling lucky that it has never been a problem on the river! But now what? Yes get baffle!! How do I put in? Lots of lessons I think any help is welcome!
 

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oh yea I have four valves and i think three baffles, well I must! just seem to be missing in bay (lack of terminology) one baffle. why never shown itself!?! Good design I think and lots of good luck?!? Help!!!
 

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Assuming at some time you have inflated the boat from empty, it would have showed itself during inflation. 4 valves = 4 chambers, you definitely should have noticed only needing 3 valves to fully inflate.
 

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I could have filled the whole boat from the valve with no baffle, but not the other way around! I think this was a dumb question! And I will ask better questions as I learn more! Thanks!
 

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Lots of lessons I think any help is welcome!
Hi

Yes lesson to be learned

1.....you get what you pay for.....Stars are inexpensive boats to begin with.....They are know as an entery level or price point boats.....they are not know for making high quality, long lasting boats like hyside, sotar, avon ect...

2....the repair that boat needs is likely beyond your skill level, and needs to professionally done....Unfortunately the cost of the repair will likly exceed the value of your boat.

3.....looks to me like its time for a new boat....you got the boat cheap...had some fun....now the boat is now junk....If you really enjoy this sport, buy a used boat from a top manufacturer.....there is a reason a new star cost what a used hyside goes for.

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I could have filled the whole boat from the valve with no baffle, but not the other way around! I think this was a dumb question! And I will ask better questions as I learn more! Thanks!
If you can fill the boat from only one valve.......you have more problems with your baffles than having one missing. I hate to say it......but you now own an inner tube with a floor. :-( Be careful where you float that boat. ;)
 

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I could have filled the whole boat from the valve with no baffle, but not the other way around! I think this was a dumb question! And I will ask better questions as I learn more! Thanks!
At this point, I don't really know what you are talking about. If you are missing a baffle, then you have two valves with "no baffle." What exactly is "the other way around?"

I guess it doesn't really matter. If you have a Star with a blown seam and baffle problems, it is probably junk.
 

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Honestly dude it got you on the water and that is cool. Time to move on, there is a reason you don't see Yugo gt's at the race track.
 

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give Zach a call at raftfix....he advertises here on the buzz, see what he will quote to fix it...if its more than you think the boat is worth, then lesson learned....if not, he'll fix up your boat... I've been doing this a while, and while I think I'm pretty handy with sta-bond I'd never try that repair myself... Good Luck!
 

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Only junk I have is the responses to this thread!
Hey Kiki

Bummer that you feel the advice of local experienced boaters is "junk" .

The comments were accurate...if your star raft has a blown seam and a missing baffle ....and you are new to sport....then unfortunately the cost of the repairs are likely to exceed the value of your boat.

Look...you said you got the boat cheap....you hopefully had some fun and started to learned about rafting....think of it as a disposal rental raft if that helps.

I suggest you consider renting some different types and sizes of rafts before buying another boat

Now if you want to view my advice as JUNK on this matter...that is your choice....BUT you came to us....ask your question...and got an accurate assement of the feesability of a repair....you then hurl insults at those who kind enough to offer you advice.

Hum.........

Scott

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Kiki, I'm in a similar situation as you are. For the last 5 or 6 years I've been on 2 to 3 commercially guided trips a year. I finally decided to pull the trigger on a raft of my own. I looked at Saturn, Star and a few others. I have 3 kids ones headed to college and the other 2 go through shoes, pants and groceries like there is no tomorrow, not counting the organized sports stuff.
I researched on here and ended up with a RMR 10.5 storm. It fit my budget (had to stretch it a little) .I've only had it in whitewater 2 times because of my location but I hit the local flat water river 3 to 4 times a week.
Blah blah blah, take the advice from here, it's solid. My rmr is the low end of quality boats. It holds air, it's fun. It's heavy but seems very durable. I am happy with it..... But the fit and finish it's lacking compared to other more expensive boats.
I got a sweet deal on mine from Lee at The Boat People - Inflatable Kayak & Raft Specialists (site sponsor) bought it in the winter. Lots of good deals for used stuff right now or wait for the of season when stores and manufacturers are liquidating last year's inventory. By the way I bought Year old boat with the full warranty.
 

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shredder-scott sorry to offend you but clearly you offended me by calling my boat junk!!!
1....I got a great boat that in it 14th yr is able to hold air without one baffle, for over 400 river miles, without a flinch! just the same as any top model would do!
2....repair is a skill of attention and detail but just because I am unfamiliar with terminology does not mean I am unable to do the job! and all that do such work would tell you it is not rocket science!!!
3...I understand your cry for a BMW but that is not me, and you can put down me and my star all you want, but the river is the real test, and it has never got me down. unlike this post!!!
 

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I think most of us are trying to figure out if you know how to tell there is a baffle missing. Good luck fixing a failed seam. Most of the people who have replied to you post would know a baffle issue existed when airing the boat up. That's not to put you down, we just understand how things work from experience.
2nd of all, your post count is at 7 as I type this, so nobody here knows who the hell you are yet. If you are going to come here and ask for advice and help on your boat problems, you might want to be more respectful of us.
Also, a failed seam on a 14 year old PVC based boat that is glued together is a good sign that the glue will fail again. Your boat has done it's time and put in the miles, call Zach or wait for him to post on here. His name is ZBaird on this forum.
 

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Kiki, I have a Star of the same vintage. Sorry to say this, but if one seam has let go the others aren't far behind. The one I have (and don't use at all) has blown baffles and several seam separations. To be fair it was an outfitter boat in its previous life and was undoubtedly neglected and abused, but it was only used as a paddle boat on a class II stream. I agree they're neat designs and fun to use, but this is a case of getting what one pays for. Please don't take offense. It's just a fact.

By all means talk to Zach, but think it over very carefully before dumping a bunch of time, sweat and money into that boat. Seam repair is extremely difficult and chances are this one will only be the first of many. Good luck with whatever you decide.
 

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Hey Kiki

Ypur apology is accepted

But unfortunately your reply really highlights little you understand this sport.

shredder-scott sorry to offend you but clearly you offended me by calling my boat junk!!! The fact is when the cost of a repair exceeds the value of the boat...the boat becomes worthless or junk.....this happens to all boats sooner or latter.

1....I got a great boat that in it 14th yr is able to hold air without one baffle, for over 400 river miles, without a flinch! just the same as any top model would do! Ummmm.....no ...you purchased an used entry level boat ....a "great" boat would be a custom hyside, sotar, aire, ect boat....and ....no ...your boat has not perfomed just like a top model....a 14 year old top quality boat would likly have spent it is early years in commercial service ....400 river miles is not much...commercial boats can see that much and more use in only 1 season ! My personal hyside gets on the water over 20 times in a season...with an avg run of about 10 miles....that means I put on over 400 river miles on my boat every 2 years as private boater....your boat has experienced serious problems...with very little actual use 400 miles is very light use in 14yr old boat..kinda like 14 yr old car with 10,000 miles...not much use..and it has now experienced a serious failure why? ? Because it is a inexpensive boat with a reputation for lack of durability


2....repair is a skill of attention and detail but just because I am unfamiliar with terminology does not mean I am unable to do the job! and all that do such work would tell you it is not rocket science!!! Sorry but again your wrong...experence plays an important role in these repairs....and you do not have it ! I have seen outfitters try do a "simple" footcup...only to have it fail before the season is done....

3...I understand your cry for a BMW but that is not me, and you can put down me and my star all you want, but the river is the real test, and it has never got me down. unlike this post!! !
And yet again your wrong....I am not putting you or star boats down...I am only giving you the facts...here are the facts....Star boats work just fine on the water....They just do not hold up to a lot of river miles very well...yours failed at only 400 miles ! Stars lack of durability is a prime reason outfitters do not use them....for a low mileage private boater...they are a valid choice.....
. if you want to rock a star boat...more power to you...the boat will work...your lack of skill, river knowledge, and inability to accept to accept advice.....will be the limiting factors in your ability to run any raft in a safe and enjoyable manner.....
 

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shredder-scott sorry to offend you but clearly you offended me by calling my boat junk!!!
1....I got a great boat that in it 14th yr is able to hold air without one baffle, for over 400 river miles, without a flinch! just the same as any top model would do!
2....repair is a skill of attention and detail but just because I am unfamiliar with terminology does not mean I am unable to do the job! and all that do such work would tell you it is not rocket science!!!
3...I understand your cry for a BMW but that is not me, and you can put down me and my star all you want, but the river is the real test, and it has never got me down. unlike this post!!!

Sorry dude...I have a 2001 star as well as 5 other rafts. I really didn't think any Stars this old still existed other than mine (maybe it is the last one now?) It's a 14 year old glued PVC boat (meaning at the end of their life expectancy). I was practically begged by the previous owner to take it and I would only give him $50 for the boat with good seams and baffles, but had a standard floor I had to fix. Even after fixing the boat (using skills I have developed over years fixing other rafts) I will not trust this boat on any whitewater. It replaced a cheap chinese raft I used to use as a crappie fishing boat and it may never see anything but a lake as I fully expect it to fail in a most spectacular manner at some point. If I get two seasons out of it I will be happy.

The fact of the matter is that boat's seams will likely keep failing as fast as you can fix them. Failed seams are pretty tough to fix unless you do it for a living. Baffles are even harder.

I doubt the star was missing a baffle...it has blown....in fact if you could fill the boat from one valve you at BEST have one baffle left. I think it typically costs $300 to $400 a baffle to get fixed so it would cost about as much to fix the boat as it was new...probably more.

Chalk it up to lesson learned. If you want buy some glue (it's expensive mind you) and practice fixing all these things so that in the future you will have that experience, but it's doubtful even with doing that...that this boat is salvageable.

The people here know what they are talking about.
 
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