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Hello I am looking for some kayakers/rafters to paddle the upper Hudson in the spring with. I am a rafter with a 14' hyside that sits 6 plus me. I have a few seats already filled, looking for more paddlers with me and more to add fun to the trip!
I have never been down this river before so anyone with any knowledge of its geography is welcome to shed some light for this adventure and encouraged to join!
 

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spring Hudson trip

I live in NH and have rafted the Hudson commercially several times. I would love to join your raft group. I know the put in and takeout and am familiar with some sections but not all. In spring it could be anywhere from a 3 to a 4+ depending on the main hudson runoff. Your best bet for more beta on this is to contact a commercial outfitter e.g. Wild Water outdoor center outfitters based in Glen. If you are going at not too high a flow I would like to join in.

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Jimmy.
 

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FYI this is mostly a Colorado and surrounding areas forum. Boater talk and some other more NE focused forums might give you a better response rate on a hudson trip.
 

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Hey I am in buffalo and have run the Hudson commercially. I have a 12' aire trib and may be able to join you. Let me know when.
 

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I live in western massachusetts (Westfield), About 2.5 hours from the hudson put-in. I have an 11 ft self bailer and a 13 foot super puma. I have been down the hudson twice. Once in each boat. Awesome trip. You will need to time it with a release from Indian pond dam on Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday or Sunday. Release usually is from 11am to 1pm...however... There are other options, like the cedar river or upper upper hudson put in, but both make the trip way longer.

My first run on the hudson was at 5.5 feet, about 3,500cfs. Awesome class 3-4. Can be done in 4 to 5 hours.

Second run was at 9 feet and rising....11,000cfs+. class 3-5, avoided most big features/holes. We camped one night on this run..awesome time...lots of whiskey.. Without stopping would easily be done in less than 3 hours.

Both trips we just ran it with just one raft (R2), no other boaters in our group. Once you start it is very remote. But there are lots of commercial boaters. So just stay in ahead of the last commercial group for safety. (They will stop for lunch/snack before the harder rapids). Watch the commercial boat lines. The river in not very technical at medium to high water. But it is very continuous. If you flip, your upside down boat may ride another half mile before the next flat water.

I highly recommend driving Friday night and finding a cheap hotel about 30 minutes away. That way you can get to the put in, rig, set shuttle and get an early start. Also recommend camping ( find a spot with morning sun).

The typical hudson gorge trip is about 17 river miles. But you can add more to for a multiday 27 mile or 50 mile trip with no portages. Beautiful scenery.

I have heard that when the river is below 5 feet it gets slower, more technical, and below 3 feet you will have to drag across the shallows if you fall off the release bubble.
 

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I found a sweet trip report of a guy who, if I remember correctly overnighted the cedar to the Hudson. Awesome pictures, something I'd also be interested. Have an oar set up and lots of gear
 

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I found a sweet trip report of a guy who, if I remember correctly overnighted the cedar to the Hudson. Awesome pictures, something I'd also be interested. Have an oar set up and lots of gear



I would love to see that report. Got a link?
 

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If you feel like you need safety on a run you should provide it yourself or pay for a guide service. Just assuming someone else will clean up your mess for free is poor form.
 

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http://www.flowpaddlers.org/forum/smf/index.php?topic=7870.0

Trip report above

I agree that you should plan on self-rescue if needed. Lots of people on the Hudson, but wouldn't want to rely on anyone else unless for some extraneous emergency.

Staying w the commercials reminds me of a grand trip I guided where an Internet private got in way over their heads and followed our group for about 4-5 days, double camped with us twice, pulled into our lunch/camp so we could treat their injured(dehydrated, wet, scared) group members a couple times while they complained about each other. It was a drag.
 

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The only safety factor I am thinking about would be a satellite phone for when the sh!t hits the fan...most commercial boaters around here won't assist a private boater...just point and laugh...maybe pick up a lost paddle...
 

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Hudson River Dam Releases

The dam releases on the Indian River, which flows into the Hudson and through the Hudson Gorge, are every Tue, Thu, Sat, and Sun from 10:00am to 11:30am. Releases start the first Sat in April and go until Columbus Day in October. Besides the 4 days per week, there are also releases on Memorial Day, Labor Day, and Columbus Day Mondays.

Outfitters on the Hudson always help people in distress.
 

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What other rafting rivers are there in NY?
There are a bunch of raft-able rivers in the great state of New York beside the main Hudson River run. Here are some of my favorites......

The Black River -

Hawkinsville section -
American Whitewater - 5. Hawkinsville to Norton Road, Black New York, US

Watertown section -
American Whitewater - 7. Watertown to Brownville, Black New York, US


The Boreas River -

Upper section -
American Whitewater - 1. Boreas Road to Route 28N, Boreas New York, US

Lower Section -
American Whitewater - 2. Route 28N to Hudson River, Boreas New York, US


Cattaraugus Creek -

Main section -
American Whitewater - Zoar Bridge to Gowanda (Zoar Valley), Cattaraugus Creek New York, US

South Branch -
American Whitewater - Otto to Gowanda, Cattaraugus Creek, S. Branch New York, US


Fish Creek - My personal favorite river...
American Whitewater - Point Rock to Taberg, Fish Creek, E. Branch New York, US


The Genesee River -
American Whitewater - Letchworth Gorge, Genesee New York, US


The Hudson River -

upper section -
American Whitewater - Newcomb to Indian River confluence, Hudson New York, US

Lower section -
American Whitewater - 2. North River to Riparius, Hudson New York, US

Lowest section -
American Whitewater - 3. Riparius to the Glen, Hudson New York, US


The Mohawk River-
American Whitewater - 1. West Branch to River Road, North Western, Mohawk New York, US


The Moose River -

Middle Branch -
American Whitewater - Singing Waters Campground to McKeever, Moose, Middle Branch New York, US

Middle section -
American Whitewater - 1. Middle: McKeever to Rock Island, Moose New York, US

Lower section -
American Whitewater - 2. Lower: Rock Island to Fowlersville, Moose New York, US


The Salmon River -
American Whitewater - 2. Route 2A to Black Hole through Pulaski, Salmon (Lake Ontario) New York, US


Sandy Creek -
American Whitewater - US Route 11 to Route 3, Sandy Creek New York, US


South Sandy Creek -

Upper section -
American Whitewater - 1. Route 95 to Route 11, South Sandy Creek New York, US

Lower section -
American Whitewater - 2. Route 11 to Ellisburg, South Sandy Creek New York, US


West Canada Creek, South Branch -
American Whitewater - Fayle Road to Nobleboro, West Canada Creek, S. Branch New York, US


West Canada Creek -

Upper Section -
American Whitewater - Big Brook to Route 8, West Canada Creek New York, US

Ohio Gorge section -
American Whitewater - Ohio Gorge, West Canada Creek New York, US




There is a lot to choose from here in the Empire State.

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NY Rivers

The big rivers for rafting in NY are the Hudson, Black, Moose, and Sacandaga. The Hudson gets releases just for rafting as listed above, the Black and Sacandaga runs are both below big hydro dams. The Moose (Lower) is usually only runnable in the Spring and Fall for rafts.

There are other raft runs, but you have to be in the right place at the right time to catch : Boreas & Cedar (both tribs to the Hudson, Cedar enters above, Boreas enters below). Many different sections of the AuSable, West Canada Creek, the Salmon River, and Fish Creek. There are others too.

There are many other runs more suitable for kayaks and canoes. AW has the master list, but a great guidebook is "New York: The Whitewater State, Volumes 1+2" by Dennis Squires.
 

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FYI this is mostly a Colorado and surrounding areas forum. Boater talk and some other more NE focused forums might give you a better response rate on a hudson trip.

He's already got way more response than BT would have ever given him. That site is nearly worthless unless you mainly boat the Ocoee or Nanty (ok maybe an exaggeration)

Now the North East Paddler's Message Board would be useful, although not many rafters there. Alot of canoeing and poling though.

Mountainbuzz is about as good as it gets info and traffic-wise, that's the reason I'm here.
 

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The above poster is dead on. The responses on BT would have been vague and generally not informative. Although I am an east coast dude I too find this board the best for all round paddling info.
 

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I agree as well. Have lived and guided in the SW for about a decade and now in NY for about 2 years. Not too many rafters here, but my first time on Cattaraugus creek in my ducky, I met a former Colorado resident now in WNY with a shedder and ducky. Boater talks site is not user friendly and the info is all over the place. A NE forum would be great, but the buzz is the best forum out there and super easy to navigate on an iPhone.
 

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Loads of great information thanks everyone!
I was thinking maybe a mid April trip down the Hudson. Set up camp on Friday the 17th somewhere near the put in/take out. That way we can try to get to the put in around 10 am. That way we can go over last minute details and have our team stretch, suit up and whatever river rituals need to be taken care of so we can get on the river nice and early.
I am a certified commercial guide on the rivers in Maine and i will hopefully have 2/3 more with me in my boat so there will be no major worries with safety/experience, however there is always that chance shit does happen so please keep that in mind.
As for Saturday night and Sunday I would entertain the idea of heading towards another river, which one that is can be discussed!

thoughts?
 

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Ill have to wait til summer on this one. I would love to overnight on the cedar and on into the Hudson. Got a baby coming April 10th, so we're looking to go out with some family to Ohiopyle and run the Yough in August. Keep posting plans though because I have to plan stuff way in advance these days to make sure babysitters and grandmas are in place.
 
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