All I know is I will not be elf'ing my 18 footer down the smith anytime soon. It was fun enough twice. And if you get out of camp around 7am the wind is more manageable. I'm focusing on the bitterroot and Idaho this spring.Spider, didn't you know that our wind up here always blows down river? You must have been rowing the wrong way like they all do on the Jellostone! Just Joshin' Have a great day!