[lmyers]

There is no point arguing with you because you have a financial motivation to defend BGV. I feel they have a moral obligation to the state of Colorado to help mitigate the damage done. There is no legal obligation. It's just the right thing to do, and from what I read a few dozen cottonwood saplings would be a drop in the bucket. I did not say it was a company sponsored trip, but if multiple employees were on the trip as implied then BGV knew about the trip and in my opinion it reflects on the type of company they run/employees they hire. I would think this would be motivation for them to make some kind of public ammends....

 

[sj]

Ms. Meyers your Socialist leanings are coming through loud and clear as well as your ability to jump to conclusions. I retired and got bored I do not need anybody's money nor do I let it sway me one way or another. This is about personal responsibility to me I know a dirty word to you. The kid that started the fire is solely responsible and should be punished to the full extent of the law. Which I hope includes jail time ,restitution and a life time ban on permitted rivers. And further more you sound like the Mike Huckabee feeling like you solely can judge large groups of people from what you've read on the internet. sj

 

[sj]

Randdaddy. I will talk to the Mayor about serving the jail time as this is an example of the kind of person he lets into town and he should pay. sj

 

[BreckBoater]

Shot-Ski

So, this same Company also Sponsors the "World's Longest Shot Ski" every year during Ullr Fest in Breck. What if an employee were to do damage to the Town Of Breck's Property during this event? I am sure that either the Employee, or BGV, would be the responsible party......would they not???

Bottom line....this Crew was wreckless, yahoo's, and everyone on that trip should be banned for life from Ruby/Horsethief, due to either their direct participation or guilt by association.

Then....we can see if your conversation w/ the Millisor's @ BGV went well, and we will ALL be able to enjoy new Cottonwood Saplings, and a reclaimed Dog Island next Spring?!

 

[restrac2000]

There is a fundamental difference between sponsoring an event and coworkers going on a trip together. If/when it becomes part of the public record that this was a sponsored trip by the company than I think the implication, moral and legal, will be settled. The speculation and simple connection to the company at this point doesn't seem to be much to stand on.

For example, my wife and her female coworkers go out to dinner every month? Say one person gets drunk and causes a ruckus? Is the company ethically obligated to cover for any issue that may arise in that situation? I have talked about getting some of the veteran skiers from my program together for the summer to maintain contact but it would be all out of pocket and unpaid? Is the resort liable ethically for our actions? Answering yes to those is an expansion well outside of what I understand to be accurate.

I often argue that people should consider the implications of their actions on their off-time but that is different than spreading defuse responsibility to the company. Personal accountability is paramount in this case, until (if/when) details confirm it was a company trip.

Phillip

 

[stuntsheriff]

"The kid that started the fire is solely responsible and should be punished to the full extent of the law. Which I hope includes jail time ,restitution and a life time ban on permitted rivers." Exactly.
Personal responsibility and accountability . Sorely lacking in America today. 🇺🇸

 

[caverdan]

"The kid that started the fire is solely responsible and should be punished to the full extent of the law. Which I hope includes jail time ,restitution and a life time ban on permitted rivers." Exactly.
Personal responsibility and accountability . Sorely lacking in America today. 🇺🇸

I totally agree with this statement. I'm glad the guys name is out there for the world to see.

 

[soggy_tortillas]

Ms. Meyers your Socialist leanings are coming through loud and clear as well as your ability to jump to conclusions.

This is about personal responsibility to me I know a dirty word to you.

And further more you sound like the Mike Huckabee feeling like you solely can judge large groups of people from what you've read on the internet. sj

Hmmmmm.... awful lot of conclusions you jumped to in that comment...:roll:


Tough to say what defines a company trip. Many places in Steamboat have end of season parties and trips... I would consider that an organized company trip, and for that I would consider the company liable.
On the other hand, if it's just a bunch of workers getting together for some fun that's totally different. Anybody know if BGV does something along these lines every year?
If every one of the people on the trip were employees, this certainly isn't going to help BGV's image. I agree with LMeyers that they could pay for a few dozen cottonwood saplings, maybe even send out the employees that were on the trip to plant them.
I'd volunteer to re-tree any stretch of river.

 

[sj]

Jumping to Conclusions interesting choice of words considering the initial Law Enforcement Report issued One person 2 tickets. No mention of Biz Trip or anything like that. Jumping to Conclusions that was my whole point. I can say everyone that disagrees with me is a Anti Business Socialist that spent time under the Gov's desk in Arkansas and have just as much factual evidence as those that say this was a sponsored trip.

I will throw in a tree the planting and the watering apparatus. And would be interested in starting another thread about how the heck do you all put river trips together and fill permits other than ask your Family then all the hot people you know then the ones with money that can help you that way And then the people you work with. sj

 

[restrac2000]

Jumping to Conclusions interesting choice of words considering the initial Law Enforcement Report issued One person 2 tickets. No mention of Biz Trip or anything like that. Jumping to Conclusions that was my whole point. I can say everyone that disagrees with me is a Anti Business Socialist that spent time under the Gov's desk in Arkansas and have just as much factual evidence as those that say this was a sponsored trip.

I will throw in a tree the planting and the watering apparatus. And would be interested in starting another thread about how the heck do you all put river trips together and fill permits other than ask your Family then all the hot people you know then the ones with money that can help you that way And then the people you work with. sj

WTF? This requires an entire gallery of side eye gifs:

 

[lmyers]

I don't fill all my permits. Sometimes a small trip is better. Especially if you have to bring a douche with fireworks to fill it. My statements are personal opinion and I stand by them. If you don't agree that's fine....feel free to call me whatever you want.

 

[sj]

You are entitled to your opinion and I listened respectfully then pointed out how I thought you were jumping to conclusions and IMO wrongfully speculating about others. Again one person was issued 2 tickets and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I pledged my tree. You going to be part of the solution or continue to slander others for no apparent reason you to Breck boater. sj

 

[lmyers]

If you want to start a go fund me account or show me a direct way to contribute to getting a couple trees planted, I'm all over it.

 

[jakoby]

Dumb move for sure. I believe jail time is excessive. Since there was a fire ban imposed large fines and an enourous amount of community service hopfully would teach this guy a lesson.

 

[Canada]

An aquintance of mine did hard time for setting off a pipe bomb that started a fire. So, it has happened before.

 

[Miller Time]

I like how a certain moderator on this thread is making assumptions as if he was on the trip. I believe this is rude content and has no social value.Did you file the police report; talk to anyone on the trip?

Moderator: someone who leads a discussion in a group and tells each person when to speak.

It seems you have nothing but opinions on the Buzz. You must respond to EVERY thread, especially those on anything involved in your river valley.

Is it impossible to believe the employees own their gear and happen to be recreating together on a weekend?

I'm anticipating my 'ban for life' email sometime soon from the Buzz suppression group. And no - I do not live in Breckinridge.


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[lmyers]

Just for your info I had nothing to do with the Porker fiasco. I was out of state when that went down.

I was only suggesting his billionaire philanthropist employer might consider a donation to help mitigate damages done by his/their employee(s). If it sounded like I implied the company is somehow legally liable for his actions, I apologize.

I would have liked to have spoke with someone on that trip, but they snuck out in the dark. I was camped at BR 8, and was directly affected, and did speak with rangers.

Sorry if I post too much for you. I TRY to keep my contributions positive.....

 

[lmyers]

It seems you have nothing but opinions on the Buzz. You must respond to EVERY thread, especially those on anything involved in your river valley.

Why is it a problem for me to respond to most threads involving the Ark? I attend between 10-12 hrs of meetings a month regarding resource management and recreation and generally have pretty good information. The number of private messages I get asking for specific advice about the Ark lends itself to my belief that most of those posts are appreciated.

BTW for anyone interested the next AHRA Citizens Task Force meeting is the 22nd in the basement at the Bank of the West in Salida at 9:30.

 

[twmartin]

Here's a new Angle to this thread.

Why isn't the State of Colorado exercising it's concurrent jurisdiction and prosecuting Huff for Second Degree Arson.

18-4-103: Second Degree Arson: A person who knowingly ... by the use of any explosive damages or destroys or causes to be damaged or destroyed, any property of another...

Second Degree Arson is a class 4 felony if the damage is over $100.00.

Furthermore, why isn't the Grand County DA prosecuting any and all of the trip members who may have encouraged Huff's behavior as complicitors.

18-1-603 Complicity: A person is legally accountable as principal for the behavior of another constituting a criminal offense if, with the intent to promote or facilitate the commission of the offense, he or she aids, abets, advises or encourages...

Certainly food for thought!

 

[bonzola]

I like how a certain moderator on this thread is making assumptions as if he was on the trip. I believe this is rude content and has no social value.Did you file the police report; talk to anyone on the trip?

Moderator: someone who leads a discussion in a group and tells each person when to speak.

It seems you have nothing but opinions on the Buzz. You must respond to EVERY thread, especially those on anything involved in your river valley.

Is it impossible to believe the employees own their gear and happen to be recreating together on a weekend?

I'm anticipating my 'ban for life' email sometime soon from the Buzz suppression group. And no - I do not live in Breckinridge.


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