Dude, my friends Steve Delaney and Eric both riverboard. They've run pine and the numbers over 3000cfs, Gore canyon, Clear Creek of the Ark, Clear Creek at stupid high flows, and freaking Coors falls which was sweet to watch. I kayak and have to say those things are super maneuverable, as well as very fast and nimble in rapids. They can run holes I wouldn't go near and I consider them just as safe to boat with as another kayaker minus the pin kit/rope storage issue. In fact Steve was the one to rescue my friends boat when he got pinned in Upper 10 mile. If you get a chance try it! I loved the tele = C1 joke btw so perfect.