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I have one of these Campfire Defender fire pans. My main reason for buying was for self support (basically just to meet the ranger requirements to have a fire pan along) and for my DO cooking. Love the Campfire Defender stand design, very skeptical of the mesh bottom. I thought about cutting a couple sections of solid aluminum to place on the mesh for a solid base so my DO legs would not punch thru the mesh. Manufacturers advised no to this idea.



However, a cheap Walmart pizza pan fits easily on the mesh and that is my solution for DO cooking.


I have used the real steel heavy weight fire pans for many years and often times built big time camp fires that ended up with red hot fire pans. After cooling, no issues.


These old style steel fire pans are built like a tank and weight like a tank. My opinion is if you want big time camp fires this Campfire Defender unit is not the answer. However, if you want a light weight fire pan for small fires and with my pizza pan liner for DO use - I think this new fire pan is gonna work well. Thanks for coming up with the idea Campfire Defender.
 

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Pop Up Pit Review

Just got off of Lodore and we put the Pop Up Pit to the test.

After reading this thread and the positive responses, I purchased the kit that included the heat shield and an extra screen during their Father's Day sale for just over $100. Right off the bat, I feel like I'm getting a good deal if the pan holds up to expectations.

It was less than a week when I ordered, but Triston fired it off before the end of the day and it was here just in time to load up. I set it up in my living room in a couple of minutes without looking at the directions. Everything looked good so far and they even threw in a little swag in the form of a t-shirt.

Night One: We set it up with the express intent of putting this thing to the test. We built up a decent fire and it burned very cleanly with little ash. Later in the evening, we put in a "color packet" and continued to burn a full sized fire. The next morning there was a hole about an inch in diameter in the screen (see attached pics). We assumed that it had either been the result of a faulty screen or the color packets. We were a little bummed that after one use we had a hole in our new fire pan.

Night Two: We decided we would eliminate the variable of the color packet and build the biggest fire we safely could on night two.

Mission Accomplished.

Morning came and there were no new holes in the screen and the consensus was that the packets must have been the culprit.

Night three (our last): The plan was to build a huge fire AND use two different brands of color packets. Our logic was that the screen was already ruined and this would clear up the variables. We burned the rest of our wood and strategically placed the packets noting their positions. Morning revealed no new holes in the screen other than the initial one.

SO...our results:

The Screen & the Hole: We were left with more questions than answers with regard to the screen. No real conclusions could be drawn. Fireside Outdoor does say in the instructions not to use lighter fluid or gasoline on the screen as they can damage it. We concluded that the color packet was the most likely culprit. Fifty uses seems achievable with normal use but only time will tell on that one.

Overall, myself and the majority of our group (21 ppl) felt that it was a great product that, with the addition of a few tweaks (grill, etc), could be even better. Set up and tear down were a breeze. The fires we built were as big as any I could need on the river. No one complained about carrying the fire pan to camp and back. I am looking forward to the grill attachment.

Jason
 

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Hey All,

Sorry I've been travelling and haven't been able to get back to everyone.


Hey Tristan. I bought one of your new fire pans as soon as I saw it. I think it looks great. I was hoping you could provide some documentation that it meets the river requirements. The only ranger I got to show it to was a bit skeptical. Let me know as soon as you get your grill up for sale - I'll buy one of those too!
Hey Murph,

Funny enough there isn’t any official certificate or documentation that anything meets river requirements, which may be why gear checks are done every time? From speaking with representatives from the NPS, BLM, and USFS the big three for fire pan requirements are:
300sq inches – The Pop-Up Pit sits at 576sq inches
3inch sides – The Pop-Up Pit has 3.5inch sides
Elevated off the ground by its own structure – This one is self-explanatory
One of the biggest reservations we’ve seen have been the questions about the Fire Mesh, because the ranger may be skeptical that it will hold the ash. Fortunately, the Mesh is measured at 60 micron so even very fine ash is contained within the Pop-Up Pit. You can demo this for yourself at home with some charcoal ash to get a better idea. Maybe take a video to alive the rangers concerns?

Further info at: https://www.nps.gov/grca/planyourvisit/upload/noncommercial_river_trip_regulations.pdf
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Let me know if you have anymore questions!
-Triston

I have one of these Campfire Defender fire pans. My main reason for buying was for self support (basically just to meet the ranger requirements to have a fire pan along) and for my DO cooking. Love the Campfire Defender stand design, very skeptical of the mesh bottom. I thought about cutting a couple sections of solid aluminum to place on the mesh for a solid base so my DO legs would not punch thru the mesh. Manufacturers advised no to this idea.
However, a cheap Walmart pizza pan fits easily on the mesh and that is my solution for DO cooking.
I have used the real steel heavy weight fire pans for many years and often times built big time camp fires that ended up with red hot fire pans. After cooling, no issues.
These old style steel fire pans are built like a tank and weight like a tank. My opinion is if you want big time camp fires this Campfire Defender unit is not the answer. However, if you want a light weight fire pan for small fires and with my pizza pan liner for DO use - I think this new fire pan is gonna work well. Thanks for coming up with the idea Campfire Defender.
Awesome feedback! Dutch Oven cooking is a bit limited right now, but we’re hoping to get out our grilling grates ASAP to help remedy this. They’re going to be just as portable as the Pop-Up Pit as to not defeat the purpose of a portable fire pan in the first place.
Let us know if you have any further questions or concerns!
-Triston

Just got off of Lodore and we put the Pop Up Pit to the test.

After reading this thread and the positive responses, I purchased the kit that included the heat shield and an extra screen during their Father's Day sale for just over $100. Right off the bat, I feel like I'm getting a good deal if the pan holds up to expectations.

It was less than a week when I ordered, but Triston fired it off before the end of the day and it was here just in time to load up. I set it up in my living room in a couple of minutes without looking at the directions. Everything looked good so far and they even threw in a little swag in the form of a t-shirt.

Night One: We set it up with the express intent of putting this thing to the test. We built up a decent fire and it burned very cleanly with little ash. Later in the evening, we put in a "color packet" and continued to burn a full sized fire. The next morning there was a hole about an inch in diameter in the screen (see attached pics). We assumed that it had either been the result of a faulty screen or the color packets. We were a little bummed that after one use we had a hole in our new fire pan.

Night Two: We decided we would eliminate the variable of the color packet and build the biggest fire we safely could on night two.

Mission Accomplished.

Morning came and there were no new holes in the screen and the consensus was that the packets must have been the culprit.

Night three (our last): The plan was to build a huge fire AND use two different brands of color packets. Our logic was that the screen was already ruined and this would clear up the variables. We burned the rest of our wood and strategically placed the packets noting their positions. Morning revealed no new holes in the screen other than the initial one.

SO...our results:

The Screen & the Hole: We were left with more questions than answers with regard to the screen. No real conclusions could be drawn. Fireside Outdoor does say in the instructions not to use lighter fluid or gasoline on the screen as they can damage it. We concluded that the color packet was the most likely culprit. Fifty uses seems achievable with normal use but only time will tell on that one.

Overall, myself and the majority of our group (21 ppl) felt that it was a great product that, with the addition of a few tweaks (grill, etc), could be even better. Set up and tear down were a breeze. The fires we built were as big as any I could need on the river. No one complained about carrying the fire pan to camp and back. I am looking forward to the grill attachment.

Jason

Jason,

First off, I want to say very thorough review. Get me out your Order # and I’ll get you a new Fire Mesh sent out, just to ensure you can keep using the Pop-Up Pit!
You are very right that it was the color packet that caused the damage. We hadn’t even considered those! Generally, they’re made from phosphate which can get as hot as 4,000F much beyond the melting point of Fire Mesh.
We had mentioned the liquid petroleum because if you use too much it will seep through the mesh, sending lighter fluid on the heat shield or ground creating another fire hazard. We have to state this as we are not sure of our users experience level and we are trying to keep everyone safe. We’re going to be updating our warning sheet to include those color packets.

Thanks again!
-Triston
 

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Hey All,


As a thank you to the community for all of the great feedback and support so far we wanted to offer an exclusive MountainBuzz Discount of 20%

For anybody interested in picking up a Pop-Up Pit just use the discount code "Buzzard20" at checkout or follow this link: https://firesideoutdoor.com/discount/BUZZARD20

We're also doing free T-shirts this week for Fourth of July as a little added bonus.

Thanks again, everyone!

Cheers,
Triston
 

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Just got off the MFS and one of our participants brought the Pop Up Pit along for a trial work out. I think we were all a little skeptical of the light weight and fine mesh as mentioned in earlier posts, but under scrutiny, this didn't prove out. This thing is amazing. It is extremely light weight, packs small, and is very sturdy. The size is great for very large fires as well. We started small and increasingly became more emboldened by the amount of wood we could pile on it. By the last night we had a pyre that would warm anyone within 8 feet. No problem with warping or screen burn through. With charcoal it held up just as well. we did not use lighter fuel to start the briquets but did use a propane torch to get them started. I would be concerned with adding any fuels to the screen.

My observations and take away from a thorough testing of this is; It burns very efficiently, to a fault, goes through wood like its drawing air through the bottom. Which is precisely what it does. With charcoal briquets, it will not last long. We would start them on the screen and then remove them for Dutch oven cooking, placing D.O. on the ground (with foil) to contain the heat under the D.O.. Use a fire blanket or welders tarp to contain the chunks that fall off the ends. There is really zero ash under this thing when the fire goes out- everything burns. We did not use the provided fire shield or try to grill food over this unit. Not sure I would want to because of dripping and the shortened time of charcoal life. Maybe the included fire shield cuts down on the convection effect- was not able to determine.

For big clean fires and super efficient charcoal lighting, as well as size, weight, and packability, this thing can't be beat.
 

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Just got off the MFS and one of our participants brought the Pop Up Pit along for a trial work out. I think we were all a little skeptical of the light weight and fine mesh as mentioned in earlier posts, but under scrutiny, this didn't prove out. This thing is amazing. It is extremely light weight, packs small, and is very sturdy. The size is great for very large fires as well. We started small and increasingly became more emboldened by the amount of wood we could pile on it. By the last night we had a pyre that would warm anyone within 8 feet. No problem with warping or screen burn through. With charcoal it held up just as well. we did not use lighter fuel to start the briquets but did use a propane torch to get them started. I would be concerned with adding any fuels to the screen.

My observations and take away from a thorough testing of this is; It burns very efficiently, to a fault, goes through wood like its drawing air through the bottom. Which is precisely what it does. With charcoal briquets, it will not last long. We would start them on the screen and then remove them for Dutch oven cooking, placing D.O. on the ground (with foil) to contain the heat under the D.O.. Use a fire blanket or welders tarp to contain the chunks that fall off the ends. There is really zero ash under this thing when the fire goes out- everything burns. We did not use the provided fire shield or try to grill food over this unit. Not sure I would want to because of dripping and the shortened time of charcoal life. Maybe the included fire shield cuts down on the convection effect- was not able to determine.

For big clean fires and super efficient charcoal lighting, as well as size, weight, and packability, this thing can't be beat.

Absolutely awesome to hear! The Pop-Up Pit definitely does burn fuel a lot faster than a regular fire but this does slow down as your wood burns down and the ash plugs the holes up.

The heat shield doesn't do much to slow down the airflow, but it does do a great job protecting the ground, you could burn a fire on a plastic table if you wanted (or just a wood deck/grass)

Funny enough we've been doing some testing with the grilling grates and charcoal and we were also worried about the shortened lifespan of the charcoal. What we've found so far is that the Pit does burn the fuel fast but also a lot hotter and with consistent heat (due to the circulating air). We were able to cook about 12 T-Bone steaks over the Pit in about 12 minutes to a medium rare. Once the grilling grates are ready we'll be sure to hook up the Mountainbuzz community with a few to test out.

We're also working on a DO solution for the Pit, we'll keep you guys posted on the progress of everything.


Thank you for taking the time to write your review, it really is very encouraging for us to see.

-Triston
 

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Are you able to provide any pictures or sketches of the grill? And do you have a firm release date in August yet? I'm really intrigued by this product but a grill for cooking is a must for me, so I'm pretty interested in what you've come up with. I've got a couple trips the last half of August and may want to pick one up before then.
 

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Are you able to provide any pictures or sketches of the grill? And do you have a firm release date in August yet? I'm really intrigued by this product but a grill for cooking is a must for me, so I'm pretty interested in what you've come up with. I've got a couple trips the last half of August and may want to pick one up before then.

Sorry for the late reply, things have been hectic.

Unfortunately, we are behind schedule on the grilling grates we had an issue with getting our mold built for the connectors and basically have to start from scratch, hence why it has been hectic lol.

I know we've personally tested this grill: https://www.amazon.com/Sunnydaze-X-...1532360674&sr=8-3&keywords=24x24+grill+grates

and although large, it does fit perfectly over the Pop-Up Pit as is.

Sorry for the delay on this, I promise we're working as quickly as we can to get this done.

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All,

We do have the Fireside Pop-Up Pit and Heat Reflective Shield in stock. Come on down and check them out. We will be getting them up on our website in the next few days.
 

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I just ordered one of these. I use my fire pan to do Dutch Oven cooking and following the logic of the person who puts his Dutch Oven on a pizza pan, I realize that I could use my old very light weight oil collection pan fire pan to support the Dutch Oven. This way, I can do 4 things at once. 1) The Dutch Oven is supported easily and stably, 2) I don't have to re-calibrate how many charcoal briquettes I need for cooking because of the increased air flow through the mesh, 3) The Dutch Oven is off of the ground, so I don't have to bend over very much to work with it and 4) Just in case the put in ranger hasn't seen this super light weight Pop-Up fire pit, I have a very generic fire pan with me with the oil collection pan.
 

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Just got back from Cataract and the ranger was pretty thorough. When he asked to see our firepan I started explaining how it wasn’t a conventional one and it could set it up and right away he goes, “oh is it one of those pop up ones? I saw them in a shop the other day and we thought it was pretty cool” So it passed muster for at least one NPS ranger. He didn’t sound 100% convinced about the mesh but didn’t have any problem accepting it. Of course he wanted to know how it worked but I had just gotten it and haven’t even fired it up yet, and couldn’t on the trip due to restrictions.
 

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We were able to show the Pop-Up Pit to one of the rangers at Westwater. His thoughts were as long as you have a fire blanket and a container to pack out your ash, he didn't think there would be any issues. He did say he would like to see how it performs and how much ash does get through. We are working with the manufacturer to get him in contact with the Moab and Grand Junction BLM offices. We'll keep you posted.
 

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Bought one of these and very happy after setting it up. Unbelievably light weight and small. Unfortunately couldn't use it last weekend at Yarmonygrass!
 

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I poked around the one they had at Downriver on display and was pleased by the build quality, lightness and the size of the thing. It is definitely bigger then it seems from online pictures. Might have to pick one up....I'd love to go on a trip with one. Probably not gonna happen for a bit because of fire bans though.
 

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Amazon Review

Hey All,



We recently listed the Pop-Up Pit on Amazon and would really appreciate if those of you who have used the Pop-Up Pit took a second to leave us your honest review.


We had someone leave a pretty negative review, which is one of the first negative reviews we've received on the pit but unfortunately, he is one of only 2 reviews which greatly impacts our rating.



Here's the link: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07G9NY6G8


Cheers,

-Triston
 

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Hey All,



We recently listed the Pop-Up Pit on Amazon and would really appreciate if those of you who have used the Pop-Up Pit took a second to leave us your honest review.


We had someone leave a pretty negative review, which is one of the first negative reviews we've received on the pit but unfortunately, he is one of only 2 reviews which greatly impacts our rating.



Here's the link: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07G9NY6G8


Cheers,

-Triston
Happy to leave a positive review, mine has worked great so far!
 

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I went on the web site and found no negative review, what's really going on?
 
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