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Hey Everyone!


We invented a new product and would love some feedback from the Mountainbuzz community.

The Campfire Defender Pop-Up Fire Pit is the first truly portable, full-size fire pit. Made from Aluminum Alloys and a proprietary Fire Mesh, the Pop-Up Fire Pit weighs only 8lbs. and will never rust. The Pop-Up Pit packs down smaller than a folding camp chair (27” x 5” x 5”) and unfolds to a standard fire pit size. (24” x 24” x 15”)



The Pop-Up Pit was engineered to be entirely NPS Fire Pan Compliant.

We wanted to reach out to the Mountainbuzz community for any suggestions or to answer any concerns/questions you guys/gals might have about the Pit.


For More Information You Can Visit Our Website:
www.campfiredefender.com

Or Contact Us Here.


Thank You!
 

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Looks good send me one and I’ll give you an opinion. We’ve warped the hell out of brand new steel ones. How do these hold up?
 

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"Mesh should be good for over 50 uses"

How much is a replacement mesh? Are the side guards aluminum? Seems like they would warp.
 

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So have you talked with NPS to see if they agree that it's compliant? I just read the language as "it should work" not "it is NPS approved". And the 50 fireish longevity isn't that long, but the price point is nice... assuming the mesh is less than half the price of the pit, I could see that being ok... if it lasts that long in practice. What kind of trials have you done, how many do you have out being tested and for how long? Some testimonials will go along way to alleviating fears about longevity.

BTW, thanks for stepping up, sponsoring the site and legitimately requesting feed back. Good on ya!
 

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Looks good send me one and I’ll give you an opinion. We’ve warped the hell out of brand new steel ones. How do these hold up?


The Pop-Up Pits are obviously engineered to hold up to large campfires, through our testing with fire experts and other independents we've never had any issues with warping.

Although the Ember guards are aluminium the ribbing on the outside allows them to release heat to the ambient air quicker than it can build up. Even with the coals burning directly against the Ember Guards the outside temp is never much above 500F.


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"Mesh should be good for over 50 uses"

How much is a replacement mesh? Are the side guards aluminum? Seems like they would warp.
The Replacement Meshes are going to retail for $18.95 – To be frank we wanted to put a number on the uses for the mesh because in our experience other fire pits don’t really say much about the number of uses but rust and warp after a year of use, so you have to buy a new one at full pop every other year.
If you treat your fire mesh well there’s no reason it won’t last you 100 fires. As a quick side note that 50 uses mean 50 fires burning for 6-8 hours not a quick cooking fire or the like.

By breaking everything down into replaceable parts we feel it makes it easier on you guys if something ever wears down.

The Ember Guards are aluminium, it is counter-intuitive that they do not warp we fully understand that, we were skeptical at first too. If you notice on the outside of the Ember guards are ribbed, this essentially works as a heat sink for the guards. As the fire mesh in the center is a mesh it causes air to circulate around the pit as it sucks in cold air from the environment and the heat column forces the air up. This constant airflow allows the aluminium to keep itself cool even when flames or coals are directly against them.



So have you talked with NPS to see if they agree that it's compliant? I just read the language as "it should work" not "it is NPS approved". And the 50 fireish longevity isn't that long, but the price point is nice... assuming the mesh is less than half the price of the pit, I could see that being ok... if it lasts that long in practice. What kind of trials have you done, how many do you have out being tested and for how long? Some testimonials will go a long way to alleviating fears about longevity.

BTW, thanks for stepping up, sponsoring the site and legitimately requesting feedback. Good on ya!
We are in the process of getting the Pop-Up Pit entirely approved by all regulatory bodies which is why our expected ship date isn’t until Early-Mid June. These processes take some time. As it sits now the Pop-Up Pit meets all regulations for fire pits and fire pans including the regulations stated by NPS here: https://www.nps.gov/cany/planyourvisit/riverregulations.htm
And the BLM here: https://www.blm.gov/or/resources/recreation/files/brochures/firepans.pdf

We’ve had this Pit tested by many experts including fire chiefs and fire scientists/investigators. It is also currently in the process of being reviewed by the BSA as a No Trace fire alternative. We’ve done a number of longevity tests as well testing for off-gassing and such. Fortunately, this is not our first campfire related product, so we already knew who to go to and what tests to run to ensure safety.
You can research our other product here: https://www.amazon.com/Campfire-Def...=1525976158&sr=8-1&keywords=campfire+defender
I’ve linked our Amazon, so you can see the outsider reviews!

The 50 uses as I had stated above is a number we feel very comfortable with but there’s no reason the fire mesh couldn’t last longer. It is made from a special stainless-steel alloy designed to withstand repeated heating and cooling cycles without forming or warping. Now you will see some discoloration on the mesh after your first use but that is totally normal. Our goal by putting a number of uses on the Fire Mesh was to try and remain entirely transparent with the product.
The Fire Mesh will retail for $18.95




Thanks for the great questions everyone! Keep em coming!
 

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Love the design and if everything you've stated above is true... will be picking one up!

Also, as a marketer, love that you are getting into the trenches and getting direct feedback from your consumers. Good work!
 

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Love the design and if everything you've stated above is true... will be picking one up!

Also, as a marketer, love that you are getting into the trenches and getting direct feedback from your consumers. Good work!


We appreciate the kind words! We're excited to start getting these out in the field to hear back from everyone. The most exciting part is how flexible the Pop-Up Pit is - The four posts allow for all sorts of accessories that I'm sure we'll have people suggest attachments for that we haven't even thought of yet!


Let us know if you have any questions!
 

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I've got a Smith trip coming up on June 10th. What are the odds of getting one shipped before then if I go ahead and pre-order? I can post a review here for the community.
 

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I've got a Smith trip coming up on June 10th. What are the odds of getting one shipped before then if I go ahead and pre-order? I can post a review here for the community.

We can absolutely get that done for you. We actually have one that we used for pictures sitting around the office that is brand new. We could send out to you in the next couple of days so you can check it out even before your trip.

Go ahead and private message us when you place your order so we know it's you and we'll get that shipped out. :)
 

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We can absolutely get that done for you. We actually have one that we used for pictures sitting around the office that is brand new. We could send out to you in the next couple of days so you can check it out even before your trip.

Go ahead and private message us when you place your order so we know it's you and we'll get that shipped out. :)
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I'm your guinea pig fellow buzzards :)
 

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Thank you, everyone, for your questions so far. Let us know if anyone has any more questions or concerns - well be posting some videos later this week addressing some of the common reservations about the Pit.
 

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Preordered mine last week.

Hitting the Middle Fork next week; don't think I will get it in time for that trip. But I'm hoping to get it for my Hells trip July 8th.

BTW, somebody else is bringing their firepan on the Middle Fork next week. I am not concerned about meeting the regulations for that trip as their firepan will be sufficient. I just want it to show it off!
 

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Preordered mine last week.

Hitting the Middle Fork next week; don't think I will get it in time for that trip. But I'm hoping to get it for my Hells trip July 8th.

BTW, somebody else is bringing their firepan on the Middle Fork next week. I am not concerned about meeting the regulations for that trip as their firepan will be sufficient. I just want it to show it off!


Go ahead and private message us your order number - I'll see if we can get you one out for the Middle Fork trip. ;)
 

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Im just curious:

The 2 mesh fire pits I've seen overseas seemed to leave fine white ash under the device.

Does yours allow ash to fall through?
 

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Im just curious:

The 2 mesh fire pits I've seen overseas seemed to leave fine white ash under the device.

Does yours allow ash to fall through?


Great question, we cannot speak for any of the pits overseas but our mesh is spaced at around 60 microns.

This means only the finest powder will fall through the mesh. From the testing we've done, you can expect around a teaspoon of ash to fall through over 8 hours of burning.


Hope this helps!
 

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I use a fire pan mostly to support Dutch Oven cooking. This means 3 somewhat pointed legs on your wire mesh. Can the mesh support this type of use? On a standard flat (heavy) fire pan the DO is very stable. Can it wiggle on this mesh or is it fairly stable? A lighter fire pan is very desirable to me.
 
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