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Hoping somebody can help me out. I am going out to a family reunion near Grand Canyon of PA. I know of two river that I can run while we are out there. Pine Creek and Lehigh. Does anybody know of clubs or poeple I can hook up with while I am out there???? Other rivers I should try? We will be out there the first two weeks of July. I also need information on the rivers, the basics: put in - take out, miles, rapids, permits, fees, and flows. Is there a book? Thanx for the help!
 

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I'm from PA and I've never heard of any Grand Canyon there. Do you have a city to give me as a point of refference? Pittsburgh SW, Philly SE, Erie NW, or Reading NE. I can give you some better info when I know where you are going.
 

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I am from Wellsboro, which is the town next to the Grand Canyon of PA and can give plenty of BETA on the area. Here is a link to an outfitter there may have a guide book for it. I was once a guide on the mighty Pine Creek. It is mostly a float with two Class II+ to III- rapids in it. The rest is flat water. It is a beautiful Canyon with a Rails to Trails trail along it. Great hikes along the way with water falls. You may be able to do an overnighter on it as well. In July you may not have enough water in it to float it though. You will need to check with this local outfitter

http://www.pinecrk.com/
 

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Don I can't beleive you have never heard of the grand canyon of pa.. It has been high on my list of places to check out when I go home to visit.

In july there isn't usually enough water in the lehigh to make it worthwhile, at that time of year the outfitters only run the float section from jim thorpe to lehighton, purely a flat water float.

If it rains a bunch or you happen to be there for a dam release weekend it is a pretty gorge with some class 2 possibly class 3 rapids depending upon flow. If it rains a bunch there are some creeks that flow into it that I know some of the folks run.
 

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Hello Jimp,

I live in CO but I am originally from PA & actually currently visiting PA. I am headed down to the Yough today for two days which is in SW PA & running just fine. You can look up a website called PCVWA.com which is a local central PA site with folks who you may be able to hook up with. PA has plenty of stuff to run but much is only runnable with spring snow melt or storm dependent. We had a great storm last nite so some central PA stuff will be up over the next day or so. If you can get to a store that sells Keystone Canoeing by Edward Gertler you will have all the info you could possibly need. A few creeks to look at for the central region are the Schrader near Towanda class 2-4, The Loyalcock north of Williamsport class 2-4, Rock Run A great little- very little creek run also n. of Williamsport near Trout Run class 3-4 that's awesome & icludes 2 small waterfalls to drop if so inclined, The Black Moshannon just west of Bellefonte is a small creek class 2-4 which I ran the other day at low level but should be up for the next day or so if they got the same storm. Stony Creek more western PA is absolutely superb and just had a kayak rendezvous 2 weekends ago near Jonhnstown class 3-4, it's a surfing haven when in, If you want to be certain there will be water... go to the Yough at Ohiopyle, PA...it's dam release and has a great loop in the river where you can put in & 6 rapids later take out at practically the same place... a classic east coast class 3-4 river. Anyway this should help for starters...I am off to the Yough. Oh you can pretty much count on bacically no water in Pine Creek, worth kayaking at that time of year & really that incudes most any PA creeks in unless dam release or there have been some good rains..Lehigh is a scheduled dam release.
 

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Don't feel bad, Don. I lived the first 21 years of my life in Penn's Woods and the only sentence I ever heard with "PA" and "Grand Canyon" in it would have been something like "Damn, it's a long drive from PA to the Grand Canyon."




I'm from PA and I've never heard of any Grand Canyon there. Do you have a city to give me as a point of refference? Pittsburgh SW, Philly SE, Erie NW, or Reading NE. I can give you some better info when I know where you are going.
 

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Thats funny you PA boys have never heard of the PA Grand Canyon. Hell, I did not know they had one in AZ for a long time. It is pretty cool by Eastern standards it is about 1,000 ft deep and was fairly remote before the trail went in.
 

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Wow,
I knew somebody out there would have some info. Thanx for all who responded! Very helpful!! Well, I did contact Pine Creek Outfitters in Wellsboro. Here is what Chuck had to say:

July is not usually the month for whitewater (or any water) on Pine Creek, so we don't offer guided trips at that time of year, nor is the Mansfield Kayak Club active here. On the Lehigh, it would be best to contact one of the outfitters there (Whitewater Challengers or Pocono Outdoor World) for details on dam releases, etc.
We do rent bikes for the Pine Creek Rail-Trail ($5/hr, $30/day, $35 per bike or less for rental and shuttle combo Ansonia - Blackwell, though other length trips are available. If you provide an address, we will mail you our 20-pg Outdoor Adventure Guide. Thanks
-Chuck, PCO

It looks like I maybe taking the bikes instead of the boats?? I will have to research it more. I have time before the reunion. I'm sure there are places to boat while we are out there. All is not lost. I will get out there sometime, my in-laws live there. There is alwaysw, Philly Cheese Steaks and Yingling black and tans!!!! LOTS of B&Ts. :p

I laughed when I read about the Grand Canyon of PA. We hiked it last Thanksgiving. It is beautiful; a stream with waterfalls. Thanx agian and I will be in touch. :D
 

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There is incredible single track mtn biking there. Check with Country Ski and Sport in Wellsboro. They can probably steer you in the right direction for trails, since alot of it is off the radar
 

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July is usally low water even on the Yough. Which is Res released all summer long. PA does not have any mountains to collect snow and benefit from the spring melting. It does have some of the most robust hardwoods and trees in the world. So, that being said... when the trees are full the rivers are sucked dry. Best boating close to that area is the Ithica Gorge- just north over the PA line. Goes right through the Cornell Capus. Very cool shale drop grouge. Other than that it's canoe land. Big flat rivers. The real WW in PA is in the southern part of the state closer to the WV and MD borders.

Anyone ever hear of Titusville? That's name I haven't typed in 10 plus years.
 

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Yep- that's my original home town. Birth place of the oil shortage. And, home of the Hola Hoop. Made by Oil Creek Plastics.

In other parts of the country "Creek", is used to describe small rivers. As in too small to be considered a real river. Like a pond is too small to be called a lake. Most of the Lakes in Colorado would be considered ponds elsewhere. If you can swim across it in an hour or two- it's a pond. If you can't see across it- it's a lake. Different size water = different rules.


Mississippi River is a river... Arkansas River = a creek. If you can throw a rock across it... it's a creek. But, we live in the desert so the rules are different.
 
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