October hole has been hand tweaked by someones and it ain't too bad for its first year right now. You can throw 3-4 ends before you flush. Front surf is nice, Low angle stuff works as well. Loops may be possible if you got some gusto. Pretty nice for August tho, but it could be more retentive. I think it is worth the drive if you are jonesing. Temp gradient is crazy, right side is 10 degrees warmer the river left eddy!