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Hi, Im new to the forum, but I am glad to have found you guys. I need a little of your vast experience about the Colorado and Utah rivers. Me and a buddy of mine want to plan a three or four day boat trip on a river. The tricky part is the fact that we're using single man pontoon boats that are rated for class II rapids. We used these to do the Delta to Whitewater, Colorado run last September with no problems. If anything, we would like more and a little bigger rapids. We would also like a longer run. The last one was about 45 miles. We want to camp along the river and would like some nice hikes along the way. The of the things to consider is that these boats dont turn so fast so a wider river helps. The State Bridge to Dotsero run was suggested to me but I don't know much about it yet. Any help or suggestions would be appreciated.


After looking at some of the classifieds, I thought I should say that these pontoon boats have only 8 ft pontoons with about a 400lb. capacity and a steel frame.
 

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Hi

Look, this is a dangerous sport.

The boats you have in my view would be extremely un-safe on rapids bigger than class II.

You have been bitten by the river bug ! Thats great ...welcome !

But unfortunately, if you want to start running more challenging sections, you really need a different boat.

The investment in purchasing a overnight oar rig substantial even used.

There are places that rent real white water river rafts, with frames and oars.

I suggest you guys rent some boats, see what you like..... learn more !

I am pretty sure you can rent oar rigs at Rancho del rio, and do the pumphouse run on the colorado,

Be careful ! Your inexperience can get you or another killed very quickly in this sport.

I suggest you consider taking a Swiftwater Rescue Class you will learn a lot about river saftey. Or else you could go through guide school as a private boater....that is also a great way learn.

Have fun on the river, but engage in risk mitigation stragies when out there

paddle on

scott
 

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Scott,

Thanks for the input. We're not looking to do anything crazy. That's why I came here. I want the advice of the people who know this sport. I guess what my question is, is there anything comparable with the run we already did? We don't want to make the same run but I understand it's hard to find a run that long where we wont run into anything nasty.
 

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There are a number river runs that I am sure you would enjoy if you were to use a more capable boat.

Browns Canyon on the Arkansas river, at lower water levels is very newbe frendly run.

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The boats you have, in my view, would be unnecessarily dangerous even on this newbe frendly run.

Let me put it this way, the boats you have are great for fisherman on a lake or calm river ......but they lack stregth in their frames, oar, and raft fabric to be a safe boat on many colorado overnight runs...

At least rent a white water capabale raft for day, see the difference for your self,

I do not mean to offend you, but personally I would stay on shore, rather that use your boat on any water other than a lake.

Good luck

Paddle on

Scott
 

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Thanks again Scott,

I took a look at Browns Canyon pictures and I can tell you straight up... there ain't no way my boat is going anywhere like that. Even when we were on the Gunnison, we pulled off to the side to see what we were getting into anytime we came up on something that looked even a little sketchy. The small rapids we encountered were no problem. The hardest part with these boats is making them turn when coming out of the rapid. They tend to want to drift into the river side. It was kind of like driving a NASCAR. We would go into the apex of the turn as tight as possible and then shoot out towards the wall. Lol. The top speed we reached on that trip was about 12 mph. And that was few and far between.
 

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Looks like fun to me. Most dangerous part of a float is the drive there. Have you looked into Ruby horsethief or Deso or the green Abc sections?
 

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The Green A B C and Ruby Horse thief look promising. I watched a video showing all the main rapids on section A which are supposed to be the most pronounced of the three sections and they would be no problem. I just started looking today but those will be on the list for consideration. Thanks!!
 

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If you just want a float trip. Put in at green river and go to mineral bottom on the confluence and jet back to moan. Great scenery, good camping and hiking. There is no whitewater buys it's still a great trip.
 

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A,B,C on the Green is a great next trip for you. Lots of folks float that in similar craft to yours. The biggest, most technical rapid is actually in the B section- Red Creek Rapid. It can easily be portaged.

The section from State Bridge to Dotsero is another good option- you want to AVOID rodeo rapid in those boats.

Another option is further up on the Gunny- above Blue Mesa- though that is really only suited to day trips.


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Ret, Welcome to the Buzz.

Sounds like you know what you're after and I can respect that you're willing to take it slow learning. If you forget camping and hiking,there's also the Colorado between Grizzly Creek and Debeque. For your fishing cats there's plenty of mellow Class II floating. If you do it right you can pull ashore at the riverside motel in Silt, have the continental breakfast, fill up yer coffee mug and keep right on floating to Rifle!

The Upper C at lower water would probably be the best bet locally, below Rancho, possibly with a portage at Rodeo, and some good scouting at Pinball. Check in with one of the Buzz's newest sponsors, Colorado River Rentals for a full oar rig, or y'all could probably have a great time R-2ing a paddle boat with your gear down the Upper Colorado. Take earplugs for camping on the Upper C, though.

Scott - I respectfully disagree, but Ret's aren't ready for Brown's with those rigs or a rented raft, and I'm glad to see him say so right up front. The Milk Run from Johnson Village to Ruby Mt., maybe, not Brown's. Another stretch on the Ark would be Big Bend to Salida, or down by Cotapaxi there's a pretty "uneventful" stretch that would be a good float and where they could snag a fish or two. Tough to find camping down there, and you won't be able to string together the mileage you want without some Class III rapids.

That said, I did get to see big ol' Jesse (K2andCannoli) run Westwater on his little cat before he upgraded to a real whitewater rig. I thought for sure he'd need a snorkle and we'd wind up carrying him and the shreds of that cat out but he did just fine.

I don't recommend any of the above stretches at high water in those boats.

Have fun and be safe!

-AH
 

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I run in a boat similar to that a fair bit on a local class II river. You need to learn the point and pull technique of rowing. Then you can put the boat where you want to. If the rapids are too big for this style then it's the wrong set up. I have a lot of fun in mine and use it to fish stretches with class V put ins or take outs.
Last summer my buddies straps broke and one tube fell right off the frame. He lost an oar and had to go with one oar used like a paddle until he got to a good spot to walk out. So keep an eye on the straps and consider adding a couple extras for bigger water. I think the oars are pretty sketchy on those boats also. If you stay within your limits you can have a lot of fun.


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I used to own a similar type boat, it was a 8 foot water skeeter. I took it down the Colorado from pumphouse to rancho, state bridge to catamount, cottonwood to dotsero, and grizzly creek to glenwood. I also ran the eagle river from Eagle fairgrounds to dotsero. You could certainly overnight on the upper c with those boats, I've seen them on the A and B sections of the green and ruby horsethief as well. Keep it to class II+ and you can have a lot of fun. For me, after a couple of long trips, I decided a full size raft was going to be in order. Have fun and be safe
 

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Ruby-Horsethief

I would recommend Ruby Horsetheif. No real rapids but amazing desert canyon scenery and wonderful camping opportunities (a permit is required). Please keep in mind that when you begin to do overnight river trips then you must bring along the required equipment (different for each river section) which can include a fire pan and GROOVER (amoung other things). If you do happen to do an over night on the upper Colorado (which I love) or any other river for that matter please bring a fire pan and groover even though these items are not required as of yet. It is a narrow river corridor that see's a lot of use, please take care of it and leave it better than when you found it :)

Good luck to you!
 

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A one Gallon paint can makes a legit groover. You just can't
throw it in the dumpster full at the end. It must be emptied at an RV dump station.
 

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I run in a boat similar to that a fair bit on a local class II river. You need to learn the point and pull technique of rowing. Then you can put the boat where you want to. If the rapids are too big for this style then it's the wrong set up. I have a lot of fun in mine and use it to fish stretches with class V put ins or take outs.
Last summer my buddies straps broke and one tube fell right off the frame. He lost an oar and had to go with one oar used like a paddle until he got to a good spot to walk out. So keep an eye on the straps and consider adding a couple extras for bigger water. I think the oars are pretty sketchy on those boats also. If you stay within your limits you can have a lot of fun.


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I actually lost an oar pin on the last trip. I was paddling my ass off with one oar for about 1.5 miles until I could pull over. I have since found a way to avoid such problems in the future with a little re-engineering. I am a custom gun builder and designer by trade so I'm used to building and rebuilding things.
 

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