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Cons of two-strokes being they're not allowed on the Grand. Does anyone know if that is the only place they're banned around the desert west?

I would steer away from 4-strokes. The pros are they're much quieter and use a lot less fuel. The cons are they weigh 50% more but most importantly they are very fickle as to how they are stored on your boat. If you store them incorrectly the oil from the crank case fills the cylinder(s). Fixable on the riv but difficult to accomplish without contaminating the water or beach
 

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I'm not a motor boater yet but I've been looking into it. Most searches have lead to Pornhub instead of here so I though I'd ask the collective - What spares do you carry? I likely don't see one in the near future but a ~6hp four stoke seems like a good addition down the road. Prop, spark plugs, shear pin, what else?
I'm not a motor boater yet but I've been looking into it. Most searches have lead to Pornhub instead of here so I though I'd ask the collective - What spares do you carry? I likely don't see one in the near future but a ~6hp four stoke seems like a good addition down the road. Prop, spark plugs, shear pin, what else?
I'm not a motor boater yet but I've been looking into it. Most searches have lead to Pornhub instead of here so I though I'd ask the collective - What spares do you carry? I likely don't see one in the near future but a ~6hp four stoke seems like a good addition down the road. Prop, spark plugs, shear pin, what else?
maybe spare fuel bulb pump and tubing/fittings? Sounds like a good set up you are building!
 

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On a lake run out from Cat almost 40 years ago - when the lake was full clear past Ten Cent and it was 32 miles of pure flatwater to Hite - "someone" forgot the gas hose for (I think it was) 7.5 hp Merc "Red Dot"... we didn't have anything like a hose, or tubing, or anyway to connect the tank to the carb - but we did have an eyedropper in repair kit and a funnel in the kitchen... fortunately there was no wind, and the 5 boats we had barged also had plenty of beer. So we all took turns, and some were better than others, but you can run a motor with an eyedropper and a funnel and a little duct tape - and BEER!
 

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I would steer away from 4-strokes. The pros are they're much quieter and use a lot less fuel. The cons are they weigh 50% more but most importantly they are very fickle as to how they are stored on your boat. If you store them incorrectly the oil from the crank case fills the cylinder(s). Fixable on the riv but difficult to accomplish without contaminating the water or beach
Well, 2 strokes aren't allowed on a lot of rivers. If you carry pig mats, you can avoid contaminating the surrounding area. They have ones that only soak up oil, so you can put it in the water and it won't absorb water, just oil. As for storing, they have to be laid tiller side down, been this way with all the 4 strokes I've seen. Not an onerous thing, and the tiller actually stabilizes the case from rocking, making securing it in place a lot easier.
 

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Piranha Prop with spare blades, those things are great. I've run a thousand miles on a motor rig, Piranha props and a good prop guard are the way to go.
 

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Based on the last three trips using the same motor, I say take a spare motor. Each time we got about 15-20 miles then it just quit.

We disassembled the engine as far as pulling the fly wheel and testing points and spark. Never thought to check the impeller.
 

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GeoRon, curious, what size motor are you running? 2 or 4 stroke? on a big rig as primary method of power or used to push in/out of the flats?
 

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I think it is a 2.5 evenrude 2 stroke.

It is a friends motor originally nicknamed affectionately dragon slayer. Affections have ended. It is now nicknamed bug slayer. Soon we will nickname it POS but getting the first 20 miles on deso or cat done under motor is better than rowing.

I used to have brand new 5 and 25 hp hondas but I don't go to Baja anymore so I sold them. Bummer.
 

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Piranha Prop with spare blades, those things are great. I've run a thousand miles on a motor rig, Piranha props and a good prop guard are the way to go.
Never heard of those props, so went and checked them out. Neat idea, have you ever hit anything with them? I'm guessing so with 1000 miles, ever damage a lower unit? How bad do the props get damaged compared to an aluminum prop ?
 

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Was on a Cataract trip this fall where the group relied on one motor amongst 5 boats. The motor ran (had worked fine on the prior trip of course) and would start up so we had no reason to be concerned after launching at Potash....after about a mile the engine was overheating every 5 mins. The group had a PDF of the engine manual (mostly useless), some engine repair experienced minds, and plenty of beer. Spent a day drifting while doing a complete disassemble on the raft. Turned out the impeller had all but dissintegrated and thus the engine wasn't circulating water to cool its self. So I'd add a "spare impeller" to the list above of parts to have on hand. That said with the right combination of repair kits one can be fashioned from an empty beer can, gorilla tape, and boat glue, and one sacrificed layover day... View attachment 61849 View attachment 61851 View attachment 61850
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I would steer away from 4-strokes. The pros are they're much quieter and use a lot less fuel. The cons are they weigh 50% more but most importantly they are very fickle as to how they are stored on your boat. If you store them incorrectly the oil from the crank case fills the cylinder(s). Fixable on the riv but difficult to accomplish without contaminating the water or beach
I would steer away from 4-strokes. The pros are they're much quieter and use a lot less fuel. The cons are they weigh 50% more but most importantly they are very fickle as to how they are stored on your boat. If you store them incorrectly the oil from the crank case fills the cylinder(s). Fixable on the riv but difficult to accomplish without contaminating the water or beach
I would steer away from 4-strokes. The pros are they're much quieter and use a lot less fuel. The cons are they weigh 50% more but most importantly they are very fickle as to how they are stored on your boat. If you store them incorrectly the oil from the crank case fills the cylinder(s). Fixable on the riv but difficult to accomplish without contaminating the water or beach
Sorry to say...but the 50% more in weight is a bit off, even for the oldies. Depending on the year and manufacture, some weight a little bit more than others. A newer Tohatsu 10hp 4-Stroke weighs approximately 5 pounds more than the 2 stroke. And in regards to the oil and storage, store it correctly and keep the boat upright. If you’re running with a chance of flipping, remove the oil before trip, tag/label the motor “NO OIL”, and then add oil before use and that pretty much guarantees you won’t flip!😆 Don’t get me wrong, I have loved running 2-strokes as well, but 4-strokes aren’t that difficult to manage and most likely will be mandatory on all or most of our governed waterways in the future.🤷‍♂️👊
 

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What Outnside said. The trend is towards mandating 4 strokes even 'though some 2 stroke (mostly injected) makes are as clean or cleaner (emissions). If you're handy, you can also pull the plug on a 4 stroke kicker, put the piston at TDC, and your ring(s) should keep oil from going anywhere it shouldn't... (You can't do this on multi-cylinder designs).
 

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What Outnside said. The trend is towards mandating 4 strokes even 'though some 2 stroke (mostly injected) makes are as clean or cleaner (emissions). If you're handy, you can also pull the plug on a 4 stroke kicker, put the piston at TDC, and your ring(s) should keep oil from going anywhere it shouldn't... (You can't do this on multi-cylinder designs).
Yup, it’s a bummer too. The governing agencies do recognize the more modern 2-strokes meeting the EPA emission requirements. But of course the GCNPS for example has in the commercial regs that it’s okay to use modern approved 2-strokes and in the private regs it states 4-stroke only. I went through all this making the decision for my engine purchase on my sportboat and I was told by NPS officials, it’s up to the rangers discretion. Which I thought were big dice to roll at Lee’s. Which that’s a good example of how the regs for other agencies could trend and when the new GC private regs are completed, it could be different.
 

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Found this in my searches. I believe it’s the long shaft - Data plate says F9.9ML. Good deal but I think a 9.9 is too much for me to haul.
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My spare parts for my little boat motor (5 hp) tohatsu 2 stroke:
Pull cord, fuel connector, extra 2 stroke oil, spark plug, water pump housing, impeller and impeller key, spare castle nut, thrust washer and split pin, prop, oil absorbent mats and a guitar string.

I am anal about regular off season maintenance and winterizing. I rebuild carbs, water pumps, and lower units so I'm pretty familiar with my setups. I don't like surprises.

My big boat spares box is huge including additional identical motor and extra lower unit.

I'm in the process of building out a new sport rig. I can't carry an extra identical motor but I will be carrying a tohatsu 9.8 4 stroke for my spare motor.

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~100 lbs.
That’s what I meant by too much. Data plate says 87lbs dry. I’d like to be able to feasibly haul it myself.

My spare parts for my little boat motor (5 hp) tohatsu 2 stroke:
Pull cord, fuel connector, extra 2 stroke oil, spark plug, water pump housing, impeller and impeller key, spare castle nut, thrust washer and split pin, prop, oil absorbent mats and a guitar string.
Nice kit. What’s with the guitar string? Throttle cable?
 

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Olden times we used to use pipe cleaners, but on little motors might be too fat... I carry the wire kit you buy at HD for like $3.99 to clean torch tips. Has 6 or 8 different size wires, one will fit for sure!
 
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