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What's the minimum flow for paddle rafting Boulder Creek in a Mini-Max? Specifically, the stretch through town from Eban G to 30th. Just looking for places close to Denver over the summer to take the kids. I can be there and on the water in about 30 minutes which makes it ideal to just go out and cool off.

Any ideas on what typical summer flows are like when they sort of bottom out and level off?

We were also wondering what Clear Creek through Idaho Springs is like. The take out is at Kermits I believe? I can't seem to find anything on that (probably says something right there! LOL). I'm not sure the kids are ready for the stretch above (nor are my wife and I good at R2ing yet).

I hope it's not time to roll the mini up yet!
 

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I think we are there

Boulder Creek has probably bottomed out for the summer. If it gets much lower, it is more of a tubing run trying not to spill your beer while bumping your ass off of rocks. I bet it will be all done in a week or two.
 

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The Poudre is a good option for the Mini-Max in low water down to 1 foot or less on the rock, Stevens down or any of the sections individually.
 

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Clearcreek is still goto go. The section from Chiago creek (second Idaho springs exit) to kermits is fun and easy if you are still new to R2ing. From Dumont or Lawson is fun but significantly more difficult. Hope that helps.
 

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How do you like the Mini Max?
LOVE it. It's so nice to have a small raft that I can just put in the back or even inflated on top of the car and throw in a few paddles, PFD's and GO! And if my wife and I can ever get the R2ing thing figured out, it will be a real hoot in other class III with the kids (Brown's, Lower Eagle, etc).

We also built a frame for it, so both the wife and kids like rowing it too, so sometimes we take both - the 14 footer becomes the gear barge and safe haven for bigger stuff with the kids and the mini becomes the play boat.

Thanks for the beta. Speaking of, the descriptions of some of the Poudre stuff looks like there's quite a few class IV rapids in those stretches (Split Rock, Tunnel, Mishawaka Falls, etc). Does it all mellow out at low water, more class III range? I really want to do some of the Poudre stuff anyway, been wanting to for years.

Not having a lot of R2 experience and bringing the kids, just don't want to get in over our heads. No kids, I'd be good to go, maybe that's the answer! :cool:
 

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You could still scrape that thing through the Boulder Play park. Saw a rented one in there last week. Just take out at the library. much less water after the Broadway diversion structure.
 

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The Steven's down section of the Poudre does mellow out at lower water - there is less "push" and "speed" to the current, giving you more time to react and less consequences when you mess up - HOWEVER, with lower water the run also becomes more technical, lines are tighter, and with the shallow water you really have to pay attention to your oars and lines. I've had my kids walk what I consider the two hardest rapids (Mish Falls & PineView Falls) on several runs and it all worked out well.
 

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FatmanZ,

Thanks for the advice. I wasn't planning on rowing it, we were going to R2. But rowing it is an option, I have a frame for it. One of the reasons I love the mini - so flexible in terms of options for us as a family to do day trips. I may give this a shot though, having the kids walk those two as you suggest, at least the first time through. Rowing I'd be more likely to run it, it would be reminiscent of our Salt Trip at low water where we got stuck a couple of times, including Quartzite... LOL

May just have to try Boulder Creek again too, at anything around maybe 200CFS (if it ever gets there again)? I can always walk it to the take out. I am getting desperate this time of year, as I don't have a lot of time for long drives, it's hot, and I need my water time! Come on rain! Maybe I need to buy some inner tubes... ;)
 

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Ran Clear Creek throuh town (Chicago Creek to Kermits). Just right to get a handle on R2 and great for the kids. Ran Beaver Falls just for fun!
 

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Ran Clear Creek throuh town (Chicago Creek to Kermits). Just right to get a handle on R2 and great for the kids. Ran Beaver Falls just for fun!
Let me know when you do that run again if you want some company my wife and I will ducky with you guys. I always look at that run on our way home and want to run that section. Did the upper Eagle last week that'd be a good run in the little boat pretty basic at low flows for people with experience. Duckies and little boats are soooo nice when you're used to hauling a big boat around like a 14' or our 16'. Nick
 

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idaho springs to kermits

this run is a good close to town run for you as well fun little wave trains, and easy put in and take out I take my four year old down it all the time
 

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this run is a good close to town run for you as well fun little wave trains, and easy put in and take out I take my four year old down it all the time
Where do put in for that run. Is it where the A&W used to be a long time ago with the picnic tables and big trees on river right?

Have not do it yet but I've heard tunnel 1 down is good too not sure where to take out though or of any hazards.
 

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I put in at Chicago creek. the put in is at the southeast corner of hwy 103 and 170 this being exit 240 or you could put in just a few blocks west of where the old a&w use to be at cooper riley park.
 

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For tunnel one down to Golden, you can take out in Lions park, or go down past washington. There will be lots of tubers in as you hit Golden.

The rapid above, or behind the tunnel one is a significant step up, like III-III+
 

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...Duckies and little boats are soooo nice when you're used to hauling a big boat around like a 14' or our 16'...
We I e of the resins I got the mini-Max! My wife and her friend R2ed Browns today while I rowed the kid rig (14 footer). I was jealous! LoL
 
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