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new to forum... just looking for some info here...

I got a chance to buy a slightly used jefe for $650... only been used in a pool for rolling sessions... I need a new creeker for class IV-V and big water...
also, I'm planning to run the Grand Canyon with friends in January.

this boat looks sweet! smooth lines, great outfitting... though I hear the Jefe is prone to cracking... is this a weakness in the plastic welds or in the plastic material itself?

anyone have any experience with this and dealing with LL on replacements?

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new to forum... just looking for some info here...

I got a chance to buy a slightly used jefe for $650... only been used in a pool for rolling sessions... I need a new creeker for class IV-V and big water...
also, I'm planning to run the Grand Canyon with friends in January.

this boat looks sweet! smooth lines, great outfitting... though I hear the Jefe is prone to cracking... is this a weakness in the plastic welds or in the plastic material itself?

anyone have any experience with this and dealing with LL on replacements?

cheers!
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If your boat is warranteed expect to pay 250 for a new hull.

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Plastic material seems a little brittle. Warranty experience varies from what I've heard. Some will get full replacement within the year period, some will get hull cost (I think $400 w/ shipping charges) within the year or after the 1 year period, and some will get nothing at all if after the 1 year period.

Regardless, you bought used so you will get nothing. The warranty is not transferable.

new to forum... just looking for some info here...

I got a chance to buy a slightly used jefe for $650... only been used in a pool for rolling sessions... I need a new creeker for class IV-V and big water...
also, I'm planning to run the Grand Canyon with friends in January.

this boat looks sweet! smooth lines, great outfitting... though I hear the Jefe is prone to cracking... is this a weakness in the plastic welds or in the plastic material itself?

anyone have any experience with this and dealing with LL on replacements?

cheers!
 

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actually... I haven't bought nothin yet... I just have the chance to buy this boat right now and I'm attempting to find out some info from knowledgable folk out there who might know a thing or two about the jefe plastic. comprende?
 

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I just got my new hull and paid 250. Of course I bought it new and it lasted me about 35 days. Not a big Jefe fan or the LL plastic. Boat does pretty good when right side up. I had a hell of a time rolling the boat. I plan on selling this one for 750 if interested. 08 Hull, 06 outfitting. good deal. . .

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I run the CRMS Kayak program. I have had 34 LL kayaks. The only cracking problems that I have personally encountered are in the early models where they did not have a washer under the seat bolt on the first years of the lil Joe, Hoss, Airhead era. That was 1 Joe, 1 hoss, three airheads( lot of torque on a small spot). The only Jefe that I personally know that cracked had been drug over the sierra and back and worn thin.

The nature of molding plastic can lead to thin spots. It seems like a balance between putting enough plastic powder in the mold to be strong and putting so much in that it is a brick. If you search this forum you will find some complaint about every companies' plastic and people who swear by them. My personal experience with LL plastic is that it is solid.

The Jefe got me back into creeking after years of not feeling comfortable in a boat. Stupid Gradient. I think you'll find lots of others had similar experience.

liquidlogic also does extensive boat testing.

http://www.lvmvideo.com/quicktime/BoatTesting.mov

http://www.lvmvideo.com/quicktime/SecurityBarTesting.mov

http://www.lvmvideo.com/quicktime/SledgeTest.mov

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The Jefe is a great boat. With that said, some of them do break. Why? B/c they take a good hit. If you look at all the brands of boats, they all break! Go figure right?

I'm in my same Jefe from 2004 and I haven't broken shit. However, I did break a few Riot boats back before they switched plastics.

This year I have seen 1 broken dagger and 2 broken Jackson's.
 

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"All boats break" is such a worthless observation. The question is, do some break more readily than others and do some companies offer better warranties for those boats than others. My personal observations and from talking with others is that the Jefe plastic tends to be more brittle. Dagger plastic, for instance, seems to get deformed easier, but is less likely to crack (yes, I've seen lots of broken Daggers as well). That said, I don't think the difference is so great from other manufacturers and I like the design so much I'll probably buy another if (when) mine goes.

As for the warranties, it seems like LL is pretty good, but I've seen people get pissed and go to other brands as well.
 

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"All boats break" is such a worthless observation.
It's not a worthless observation... It's an honest one. Since when did anyone buy a boat b/c it's indestructible? I've never met someone that said.. "Man, my boat isn't my favorite design but it's damn strong so I paddle it!"

Boats break sometimes under the shittiest hits. But, you have to think about what weakened it in the first place. If it's a manufacturing problem it'll get fixed.. If you're like the guy on Boatertalk (who wants a warranty claim after his boat went down a few rapids on the Green without him) then it's your fault it broke.

About the only boat that people should stay away from are the Big Gun and the purple Jackson boats (I think). Other than that, just paddle the design that you feel most comfortable in and try and be smooth.
 

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every boat breaks

I've heard from various people that every single company uses the worst plastic out there, and that every company uses the best plastic out there. When you paddle a boat hard enough long enough every boat will break, its a fact of life. I've seen a bunch of jefe's break this year, and knowing he people that paddle them, they paddle their boats into the ground so its no suprise that they break. As a few other people here have said, just get the boat that fits you the best, and that works the best for you.

Enjoy :D
 

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I paddle big water and lower volume stuff. Just beat the crap out of my 3 year old Jefe last weekend and it's fine. Hope it doesn't break, I'm poor.
 

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Since when did anyone buy a boat b/c it's indestructible? I've never met someone that said.. "Man, my boat isn't my favorite design but it's damn strong so I paddle it!"
I used to paddle my Blunt for exactly that reason, because it was virtually indestructable....but eventually it broke. I bought a dagger nomad because i am under the impression that the boats break easily. But I base that decision on what i have heard and have never seen any scientific evidence to persuade me otherwise. I do have a Prijon Release playboat and the plastic for sure is the BOMB. That boat again is not my favorite design, but it's damn strong, so I paddle it!
 

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Yeah well. . . brilliant observation. I've never had problems rolling other boats, but I appreciate your eagerness to make me feel like a chump.
I tend to agree that it's more difficult to roll, or at least different to roll than other creekboats I've tried.
 

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I've had a Jefe for three seasons now and I love it. Seat finally broke this year, and I am aware of one other person who had the same problem. He also had to make a couple of base weld repairs, but that's because he loves running southwest CO creeks and beats the crap out of his gear. While there are a ton of opinions out there, I would definitely buy another Jefe if I needed a boat right now. This season's outfitting seems like a pretty dramatic improvement over the '06 and '07 outfitting.
 

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I've had a Jefe for three seasons now and I love it. Seat finally broke this year, and I am aware of one other person who had the same problem. He also had to make a couple of base weld repairs, but that's because he loves running southwest CO creeks and beats the crap out of his gear. While there are a ton of opinions out there, I would definitely buy another Jefe if I needed a boat right now. This season's outfitting seems like a pretty dramatic improvement over the '06 and '07 outfitting.
the 08 jefe= comfier than my couch
 

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Hey Jocko, As you can see the majority of Jefe owners are more than satisfied with the boat. Most of the time I really liked the boat but I still feel the plastic is still a little suspect compared with other companies. I also feel that at my weight (185) the boat may have been a little small. I don't know the weights of the other poster's, but I've heard that the bigger jefe may be the way to go if your over 180. Even though Routter may disagree I still feel that the boat is more difficult to roll than other creekers.
 
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