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I need a new creek boat, I'm going to buy used and am considering the following: Java, CFS, or Huck. Just wondering what the buzz's opinion is? SSV is the creek I paddle the most so I guess the boat should be ideal for steep continuous mank. I'm 5'10" 165 lbs.

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I've got a Java for sale if your interested. You may be a little heavy for it though. Some people love it and some people hate it. It seams that the lighter the person to more they like it. It's my wife's boat and she has determined that it is too tippy for her, but she has always done well in very stable boats. She likes it on very low volume stuff, but she gets spanked any time she takes it on bigger water (like clear creek at higher flows).
 

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I am a little taller and exactly the same weight as you and I paddle a CFS. I am definitely at the bottom of the weight range which has advantages and disadvantages. On the upside, I ride high in the water so I don't tend to get messed with by shallow rocks as much as other people and I can boof any rock that is even wet. On the downside, the boat sometimes feels big, clumsy, and hard to move around (especially when I have been paddling my playboat alot). The more aggressively I paddle, the more I like the boat. Its slow as hell but boofs well and seems very rock friendly...so its definitely a low volume creek boat and not a big water boat, but you probably already know this. Hope this helps.
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I've also noticed a wavesport diesel in the gear swap, anyone care to comment on that boat for a front range creeker? I think I'm leaning towards the Huck. The cfs seems a tad too big and the java a tad too small. My only reservations about the huck is it's stability, i've heard it's tippy!?!?! I'm selling my creeker 225 friday and need a new boat asap!
 

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I have a CFS and a Salto. The CFS will probably have a bit more volume than you're looking for. It handles manky rocks and boofs well, but it is extremely slow and only has two biner attachment points which are hard to reach from the cockpit.
The Salto has a bit less volume and is a lot faster than the CFS. It also boofs well and has slight edges. I like the edges because they help with carving into eddies, but others disagree. It also punches holes better than the CFS. Recently there was a bad batch of red Saltos that had issues breaking, but most of them have been warrantied. If you're buying used, look for one of the older ones with the black coating on the inside - they're indestructible. I'll probably be at Gore this weekend and you can feel free to demo either the Salto or CFS.
Joe
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P.S. Watch out for the Huck. Many experienced people don't like it and most of the people who do like it are either really light or it's their first creeker. The Gus is sweet for the slightly heavier paddler though.....
 

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yo Brian

I'm about your size I think. I demoed the Huck on black rock and really liked how it handled as long as you kept it going straight though holes. The only reason I didn't get one was the cockpit was difficult to get my knees out of. I ended up with a cfs and loved it running the narrows on SSV. So far absolutely no complaints with the CFS.
 

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Badkins on the other creekboat thread:
In my humble opinion the best creek boat is the one that doesn't break and I don't swim out of...
Face it Brian: You want, no...you NEED another Embudo! :twisted:
 

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Roy, my man! Are you back state side? Looking forward to seeing some evidence, ie pics/video, of your adventures.

One problem with your theory... I did break an Embudo, and last summer I swam out of an Embudo 3 times! So by my definition that is not the "best"! It was a good boat tho!
 

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Yep, back in one piece, and the Embudo is still intact. Not even baggage handlers can destroy that thing! The "no swim" theory has been utterly refuted tho... :roll:

I still think it's a great boat for around here, but have rethunk its big water capacity! I'm even more convinced of the "dense boat theory" for big water now than I was before!

I'm gonna do a presentation on the trip for CWWA's Fall dinner on October 8th, so will have your "evidence" together by then. Trying to get all I can from other trip members, as they had better equipment and more footage than I did.
 

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Brian,

I am lookin to get into creekig. What are the traits that did you not like about the Embudo and Creeker 225?

Dustin
 

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I was one of those people who loved the embudo, I just thought it was a tad too big for me. I wanted a 8/10'ths scale embudo, the creeker most definately is not that. The creeker was good don't get me wrong, it's one characteristic that I didn't like is that it tracks too well. Sometimes when you get some speed up and want to change directions, well it won't. Other than that it has performed admirably for me this season. For example, it has turned out to be a great Gore boat. I've decided I'm holding off on replacing my creeker 'till spring and getting a season pass instead! 8)
 
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