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Anybody have experience with both of these? How will they feel/handle differently?
(I have a Lynx I, current model and like it just fine, so does my wife, so I MAY just get another, but am wondering about the Sotar.)
 

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Depends how you use them ....

The Sotar is longer, with more rocker. It's great for big water, and stays fairly dry and light due to bow shape.

The AIRE floats higher, and IMO is a better low water boat/cargo hauler.

I use my Lynx for fly-in runs, low water runs, and especially low water self support.

I use my Sotar for creeking and big water, and it is a fine self-support boat if there's enough water.

Both are very solid boats and it's mostly a preference thing.
 

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Thank you, Slick. There just may be a Sotar IK in my future.
I'll hafta go back to other Sotar threads and check on the 20% fall sale; hotsheet; who to deal with -- rep or direct; etc.
 

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Thank you, Slick. There just may be a Sotar IK in my future.
I'll hafta go back to other Sotar threads and check on the 20% fall sale; hotsheet; who to deal with -- rep or direct; etc.
Fall sale is October 1st - 12th. 20% off the in stock and new order boats. If an in stock (sales hot sheet) boat that you like is still available on the last day of the sale, you get an additional 5% off. Info is from Cheryl the Sotar sales manager. I'm thinking about a new raft and got the info on the sale from Cheryl.
 

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Fall sale is October 1st - 12th. 20% off the in stock and new order boats. If an in stock (sales hot sheet) boat that you like is still available on the last day of the sale, you get an additional 5% off. Info is from Cheryl the Sotar sales manager. I'm thinking about a new raft and got the info on the sale from Cheryl.
I was looking at the hot sheet and it seems to me these are all seconds or blems or used. so it isn't really a deal you are just paying less for a used boat or one that is messed up. Why so many blems? You would think someone making boats that long wouldn't still be making that many mistakes.
 

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I was looking at the hot sheet and it seems to me these are all seconds or blems or used. so it isn't really a deal you are just paying less for a used boat or one that is messed up. Why so many blems? You would think someone making boats that long wouldn't still be making that many mistakes.
I'm curious....how do you know by reading a printed list that these boats are all blems, seconds, or mistakes? You say that by looking at the list you can tell that these boats are messed up and not worthy of purchase. Have you actually seen them or seen pictures of them? Perhaps you have psychic abilities? Just wondering. :rolleyes:
 

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I'm curious....how do you know by reading a printed list that these boats are all blems, seconds, or mistakes? You say that by looking at the list you can tell that these boats are messed up and not worthy of purchase. Have you actually seen them or seen pictures of them? Perhaps you have psychic abilities? Just wondering. :rolleyes:
Fairly simple, open your rolling eyes and look under status on the website. The list is usually chocked full of 2nd or used. Twisted seams, fabric burns etc, boats that the original customer declined.
 

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My Sotar is supposed to be a blem but I've never found any defects in it, They said the footpegs are in the wrong location or something but they look the same as every other Sotar I've seen. It's a 2005 and it has never given me any trouble. I think they have very high quality control and wouldn't sell anything as a first quality boat that isn't.
I think Brian answered your question with the first post.
 

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My Sotar is supposed to be a blem but I've never found any defects in it, They said the footpegs are in the wrong location or something but they look the same as every other Sotar I've seen. It's a 2005 and it has never given me any trouble. I think they have very high quality control and wouldn't sell anything as a first quality boat that isn't.
I think Brian answered your question with the first post.
Some are bad with patches, cat tubes more than any with twisted seams ,some are not noticeable, all float just fine. Also if you think your boat will be all urethane guess again, they have been slipping in a blend material that is less money on some of the colors. My buddys boat has it and it is way different than the pure urethane.
 

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What are they using instead of Urethane? I mine is made from the tan material that was supposed to be inferior (if you believe everything you hear), It gets constant use in salt water and has seen it's share of sharp barnacles, rocks, and raccoons dragging it around the yard and has never seen a patch.
If they are using something else I'm sure it's a high quality fabric. the tan was a military fabric that was originally made to use as water tanks (bladders) during Desert Storm.
 

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Fairly simple, open your rolling eyes and look under status on the website. The list is usually chocked full of 2nd or used. Twisted seams, fabric burns etc, boats that the original customer declined.
If I were to buy a boat off that sheet that was listed as a demo, second, blemish, or used, then that's what I'd expect to buy. If it's listed as new, then I would expect it to be new with no faults. Your statement "seems to me that these are all used, blems, seconds" when half the list are listed as new was concerning.
 

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Becasue we were talking IKs, the Sotar Hotsheet shows 7; only 1 is a "2nd."
Used or demo are not "mistakes."

What I find more interesting there is that none of the single SLs are 11'
Just wondering.
(Slick said Sotar IKs are longer than Lynx; Lynx is 10'2" IIRC -- so I thought 11" might be "standard.")
 

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Some of the rafts from the sales sheet I've looked at were new and some were demos. Maybe the IKs are mostly demos in a custom size.
 

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(Slick said Sotar IKs are longer than Lynx; Lynx is 10'2" IIRC -- so I thought 11" might be "standard.")
Interesting. I haven't actually measured my Sotar, perhaps I'm wrong. I don't believe my Lynx is that close to 10' though, based on hoping it wouldn't require the 10 or greater invasive species tags. but it is well over 10'

It does seem to me when in tight steep technical quarters, I'm fighting the bow and stern in my Stiletto or Sotar. Whereas the Lynx is more stubby and doesn't seem to catch rocks/logs in the inconvenient ways the pointier boats do.

I personally believe mastering your boat is more important than which boat it might be. Any kind of hard paddling requires you to make very quick decisions about where to put your boat, and that depends on water reading, boat control, and knowing your boat.
 

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one other option

I have a Sotar SL, it's about 11' give or take. A great IK that handles most of what you throw at it.

I also have a Sotar ATV Kayak. They're normally about 10-10'6" long, but I chopped mine to 8'6" so I could take it on small local rivers where I live. That being said, it went down the main Salmon last year with no problems. It could be another option for you.

Check out this site from the guide company that came up with the idea:

The SOTAR ATV Inflatable Kayak | Northwest Rafting Company

Here's a couple pics for comparison to the regular Sotar IK.

Have fun with whatever you decide. They're all good boats.
 

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I have 3 Sotar boats, 2006-2012, they all look to be made out of the identical Urethane material. The 2006 boat is made out of the tan material...it appears to be exactly the same material as all their other boats and per Sotar it is. A "friend" who owns a Sotar is not a very credible source imo.


What are they using instead of Urethane? I mine is made from the tan material that was supposed to be inferior (if you believe everything you hear), It gets constant use in salt water and has seen it's share of sharp barnacles, rocks, and raccoons dragging it around the yard and has never seen a patch.
If they are using something else I'm sure it's a high quality fabric. the tan was a military fabric that was originally made to use as water tanks (bladders) during Desert Storm.
 

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I bought a used IK two years ago. I tried a Lynx I and a Sotar. I got a sotar, I felt it handled better, bit me better, and I like the thwart backrest. I really really disliked the crazy creek style seat in the Lynx, but I think you can get them with inflatable thwarts also. I don't remember, but maybe the Lynx doesn't come with foot pegs? I can't remember, but I really like the sotar.

A lot of "blems" from Sotar are errors in the customization. Wrong colors, didn't do something that was requested as custom, etc etc and are no problem at all. I have never heard of them selling twisted tubes or major errors to people who think they are getting a new boat.

15-20% can be gotten any time of the year through various reps.
 

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My wife paddled a 10 foot Sotar for a while, and I'd steal it now and again. I was 325 lbs when I was paddling it, so it was not a hard boat for me to fill up, but it was way more stable than the Force XL I was used to. I like Sotar's floor design, there is no lip or drop in the floor. I like diminished bow boats in big water, the low volume bow doesn't get "pushed" to one side or the other when you climb a larger wave or drop in a big fold. My big ass made it draft a fair amount of water, so I tried to take it down stuff with some volume.
I'd like to try an ATV and the 11 foot SL. I've paddled Rikens, an older Sotar IK, a Lynx once, a Momentum Harrier (Love that ugly boat!) AIRE Caracal, and the Tomcat one man. I couldn't imagine packing an SL for an overnight trip, that ATV looks pretty cool. I think I need a test paddle.
 
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