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This is not a dig at play boaters, I "try" to be one. But today I witnessed 2 scarceness on the the South Platte that made be proud to be a boater and one that made me feel disgust of 2 guys representing the sport of kayaking.
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Traveling North on the South Platte Bike Trail I saw 2 slalom boaters practicing on the 20th st gates. I was stoked that some folks were out playing in the water. I Stopped took some pics and had a short chat with them. A sign that the season will be around the corner.

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Traveling over the Cherry Creek Tail bridge I saw 2 guys "playboaters" making their way down the drops. Then I saw an angry guy on another bike yell at them. I noticed they were not in the eddy just chilling, but ripping down a set of slalom gates. The guy yelled, I as well commented to the boaters on the disrespect.

The 2 gentleman in boats replied: "I don't care, were ripping them down, this area is for play boating, not slalom, they can go down to 20th st. We're play boaters".

These gates could have been moved away and not destroyed with little effort.
The water was so low and the gates were in a insignificant place, it was shocking to witness these 2 guys destroy the practice gates.
They threw the destroyed gates to the side and left them as "trash" on the side of the river. I don't know if they packed them out or not.
This being view by non boaters could be viewed as kayakers being destructive to property.

I hope the 2 play boaters I saw read this and get a clue. The river is for all, not your closed minded breed. Take that locals only crap back to the beach.

Pick up a copy of this months AW and read the article about Jesse Whittemore and the Snyder brothers.

Racers and slalom boaters birthed squirt boaters. Squirt boaters started "controlled tricks" and birthed playboating.

Respect the roots of the sport.
Karma is a bitch.

Go ahead, start the flamefest.
 

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Why would you expect a flamefest? It sounds like to me you are dead on.
 

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Boaters have enough battles to fight (access, etc) without one boater or group of boaters dis'in fellow paddlers. I am with you Philly.

"Can't we all just get along?"
 

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Idiots are being pulled into the sport. I blame Nissan Xterra commercials.

You should have thrown rocks at them.
 

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Dude, that sucks. As someone who has to care for slalom gates here in Salida, I can attest to how much work it takes to keep them up. I am a playboater at heart but I can say that slalom paddling is one of the best ways for any level boater who is interested in any sort of paddling to get better. In fact if anyone wants to run some gates please feel free to make us of ours.

Boaters have enough battles to fight (access, etc) without one boater or group of boaters dis'in fellow paddlers.
well said...damm right.
 

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This is where the scene at Golden kind of redeems itself. Several times I have been down there and it is cool to see how the racerheads and playboaters work together. Most times the racer people find ways to get in a work out without interfereing with the play boaters. On other occasions I have been there when this girl wanted to work the eddy at corner pocket in her race boat. Every time she came through everyone got out of the way and watched her go through. If i remember right some of the boaters were even kind of cheering for her..... Maybe it was more about her being a girl than anything else. But none the less I am kind of proud about that.

In all actuallity I kind of like having some gates hanging here and there, it makes for some fun when trying to make the gates in a play boat.

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Jamie...

If there was anyway to recognize these guys it would be great to get them to do the work required to replace the damage that they caused. It's the only way to get jackass punks to realize the stupidity of their actions on others and the effect on the community. A little humble pie is usually hard to swallow, but the taste is not quickly forgotten.

Don't mean to sound too much like Chuck Bronson here, but honestly, that crap is so lame. My temper is a bit short with that type of bs of late.

It would be great if someone could identify them.

Regardless, thanks for bringing this up. We all need to be protective of the access we have...
 

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I recognized one of them for sure. Don't worry, I will say something next time I see them down there in and eddy. I did have a camera but it was stuffed in my pack and I was kinda fixin to get home after a 2 hour ride on the mtn bike. In retrospect, taking pics would have been as funny as the "Busted Johns" pictures in the Denver Post.

Imagine your picture being posted on the Buzz ripping down slalom gates. The horror!

So these folks don't think I am hiding on the "board", My name is Jamie, on the water I am usually in a Green Pyrahna S6 - black IR jacker, black German Helmut, black PFD, bald head, blonde goat.
 

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Busted Johns. thats funny. I believe that chasing hookers is a much more respectable pastime then what these guys were doing. Not speaking from experience.....seriously. I promise.
 

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perspective distorted

I was one of the boaters you mentioned , I would say you must not have heard everything, aptly so we most certainly did remove the pvc tubing that was obstructing the waterway, the poles on the upper half were absolutely interfereing with us trying to cartwheel and loop on the eddy lines. from my perspective, I heard a angry cyclist, yell to my buddy hey stop that, and when you or anyone else comes off with a directive that is rude, you most certainly will get a negative response just as he did. Now I would add that we boat there all year and have no problem with slolam boaters as we both have slolam boated ourselves. Our problem was the negative comments(you mess with the bull , you get the horns) all we have asked is that you attach a lanyard or some other method to pull the gates out of the way so we can squirt, stahl, and loop in the eddy lines. A tip for the future is not to yell at us from the overhead cross path but to come down and talk about it. I have been going there since 95 and he has aswell, I have never seen you there so your input yelling to us was taken the wrong way. by the way I didnt recall seeing you there when we were cleaning up the s.platte and filling sand bags to correct the flow....
 

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Kendo

You are a hose head. Knowing how bad ass the Denver boaters are I would keep my head on a swivel, you never know when they are going to take revenge on your punk ass.

Your excuse was lame and I picture you with an aggresive
go-tee, and maybe an awkward piercing.

Loop the eddy line on the south platte in the shit water. If that's all you need is an eddy line then why didn't you find one that didn't intail vandalism of the gates.

Lame Lame Lame
 

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Utmost amount of respect for all kayakers and the river

I wanted to add as I may have missed info in my previous blog, I have been kayaking for 14 years and initially started as a slolam boater, In my trips to the south platte where we all share the river I have on countless occassions over the years have had to pull the remnants of slolam wires that have fallen in the river path, this was due to poor upkeep of the gates or poor construction. I definetly respect the work someone had to do to enjoy the gates, but it has to be a two way street. I would add there are swimmers who enjoy going there too , although it can be hectic, we get along and share. You seemed to jump into it ( the conflict at an inopportune time) If you see me down there again, I invite you to share your opinion, not to yell from afar. I can see by your innaccurate desription of events that you simply were uniformed. (other dont be fooled !!!)
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"I heard a angry cyclist, yell to my buddy hey stop that, and when you or anyone else comes off with a directive that is rude, you most certainly will get a negative response just as he did."

Hmmm.....and why do you think he was angry? Boaters disrespecting boaters, and you think HIS actions were rude by speaking up?? Sounds like you were called out and didn't like it. I find it hard to believe that every gate on the river was "obstructing the waterway".

Somebody yelled at us and we don't likey.....

Lame dude.
 

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amen

GoodTimes ,
your point was well taken, I cant say that was the case as I reflect, but I agree with you. and we removed a couple not every one. I didn't reply to this original because I felt that I had to give anyone an excuse, but to show there are two sides to a pancake! I wont dignify myself by sending a crappy response , everyone is entitled to their opinion. I can appreciate a difference of opinion, without casting a stone.
 

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Seems like we still have the issue of how to handle multiple use on the confluence play park. One group putting up gear and another taking it down doesn't work and will only lead to people getting pissed off. It doesn't seem like it would be that hard to get gates up to satisfy the slalom crowd, but to do it in such a way that other users could still use the park. How about figuring out a way to work together? Is there a person, group, or entity that is in charge of the playpark that can address and resolve this issue?
 

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It goes both ways

It goes both ways. And, It’s good to know what you’re talking about before blasting folks on the Buzz. Again, someone typed before they knew all the facts.

Well before everyone gets their neo-skirts in a bind. Here you go. A representative of the local front-range Slalom team contacted me last week, as to if I knew who had placed gates at Confluence Park. He was very agitated that someone had put up the gates, because he has been in discussions with the city to gain approval for the gates. He’s upset because it puts his group at risk.

Jump forward one weekend, and two play boaters at the Confluence Park are upset at the way the gates where put-up and tear down a couple of them. Now granted when the real gates are hung up: they will be easy to move, will be hung properly, and will be up kept by the Front Range Slalom Team. Now the only thing people will have to worry about is spray painters and meth-heads trying collect the cable for recycling deposits.

City Parks and Rec. is in charge of the course. You don't want them to get involved. If it comes down to having to manage it, they would rather close it down. We should just self police it and keep big brother out of it.
 
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Well, this is sad! If it isn't playboaters vs others, it's 970 vs 303. Get over it!

We sure don't need this image on OUR (all boaters) scene considering the 07 Junior Olympics are being held here in Golden and Confluence. Yes, freestyle rodeo is included!

Do check out the link, thanks
http://whitewaterracing.org/2007juniorolympics.htm
 

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Thanks for giving us perspective Don. Kendo, even though you might be in the wrong (whose to say what I would have done in the same situation), you've handled yourself very well. Its rare.

Kent
 
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