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Here's what I think you're saying your rationale is: old style lifts just go at a constant medium speed. You may get wacked hard in the ass as you sit down on the chair, but it's going to max speed the instant you're on the lift. A modern high speed quad comes up to you nice and gently, you kiss your girl, sit down, and the lift operator tells you how much your mother loves you. The chair then slowly picks up speed as it lifts off until it reaches it's maximum speed, and then starts slowing down again near the exit. So it may be faster at max speed, but all that slowing down at the beginning and end make the average speed the same?

How did i do? I think you're way off the mark, but just trying to figure out the reasoning.

Anyway, clearly the whole point of the high speed lifts are to get more people up the mountain faster. Even if the speeds were the same, the mere fact that the chairs carry 4 or 6 people instead of 2 dramatically increases the number of people you can get up each in a day (you do the math). That, in addition to faster speed means more people on the mountain at a given time, more laps for you, shorter lift lines, more money for the ski resorts, and snow getting tracked up oh so fast.

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of course, our old 3 seaters were the first to become quads, so there is a curve i dont feel like tracing.. plus some of the old two seaters were going alot faster than some of the other ones.. so .. damnit.. whos got AT gear for sale anyway? avalance safety classes anyone? know what, screw it. imstaying inside all winter

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Me, I put on my skins most the time and use my slow speed quads all the way up the hill.

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&d said:

of course, our old 3 seaters were the first to become quads, so there is a curve i dont feel like tracing.. plus some of the old two seaters were going alot faster than some of the other ones.. so .. damnit.. whos got AT gear for sale anyway? avalance safety classes anyone? know what, screw it. imstaying inside all winter

ha ha ha yeah remember how long the old keystone triple used to take? of the east river double? fifteen minutes of freedom baby! ha ha

i like old lifts, unless theyre wicked long. Monarch and Loveland both kick ass, and yeah, they have old lifts, but theyre so short you jsut lap them all day long! its only lifts like Campground at snowmass that make you just want to jump off

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It still sounds to me like you're making the argument I just described. The "time on the lift is shorter" means time between when you plop yer ass down and when your skis hit the ground at the top. If that's shorter, than the only way for the high speed lift NOT to move more people is if you're loading people much more slowly, i.e. the gap between chairs is large.the chairs on a low speed lift come around and pick up four people at the same rate that the slow moving chairs on a detachable lift do. then both lifts have to drop people off at that same rate. the high speed lift moves no more people up the hill. it just make's the time on the lift shorter.

How about an extreme example to illustrate the point:

Time on lift = difference between when you sit down in the chair and when you exit the chair

Let's suppose both lifts have only a 1 person chair so we can ignore that variable.

Suppose:

This time interval for a slow speed chair equals 10 minutes.

This time interval for a high speed chair equals 1 second.

If there are 10 chairs going up at any given time, then you get 10 people up every 10 minutes.

Assuming there are 10 chairs going up at any given on the high speed lift, then you get 600 people up in 10 minutes.

The only way you'd get the same number is if one person shot up there, and then you didn't put another person in the next chair for another 59 seconds.

But we know the gaps between chairs are essentially the same on high speed vs. old chair.

If this doesn't convince you, try riding each chair with psu96 and I think it will become painfully obvious how much longer the old chairs take. (just joking)

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I am a liftie.... it puts more Texans on the Mountain

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Lets assume the there are 2 lifts side by side and both carry 4 people and are 1 kilometer long.

Lift 1 AKA: slow poke is a an old school 420volt continuous lift and

Lift 2 AKA: Fast and Furrious is a new school detachable 420volt analogous lift

Both lifts have 200 chairs (100 on up side, 100 on down side) thats a total of 400 people riding uphill on the lift max. Spaced at approx 10 meters each chair (thats 33 feet aprox or about 6 seconds appart)

Lift 1 runs at a constant speed of 75 meters a minute or 13.3 minutes to top

Lift 2 runs at a constant of 125 meters a minute or 8 minutes to top.

therfore lift 1 deposits 400 people at the top every 13.3 minutes or 1804.5 people every hour

lift 2 deposits 400 people at the to every 8 minutes or 3000 people evrey hour.

So yes a high speed lift does get you up on the hill faster, because it runs faster. Costing about the same for enery on both lifts it decreases costs associated with lift opperation and the end result is more people on the hill.

High speed is great, but low speed is good for tralking with bros, wife, etc in an environment that is free. It also lets you snmoke one with your hommie while his little brother the cheba hawk is behind you on the next chair.

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Say cars are driving down a 1000m stretch of road and you have to maintain a 1 second distance between cars.

In one lane all cars are going 100m/s, then the gap between each car would be 100m.

In another lane, all cars are going 10m/s, then the gap between each car would need to be 10m.

So at 100 m/s you can fit 10 cars on the stretch of road at any given time

At 10m/s you can fit 100 cars on the stretch of road at any given time.

If I'm the first car to enter the queue in:

case 1 (100m/s) I will finish in 10 seconds

case 2 (10m/s) I will finish in 100 seconds

But after this 100 second period, presumably a guy sitting at the finish line will see a car in the 100m/s lane and a 10m/s lane cross the line every second. The guy sitting at the start line will see a person going onto the road every second. Clearly the person in the the 100m/s will get to the finish line much faster than a person in the 10m/s lane.

So really the slowness of the 10m/s lane comes into play loading and unloading the queue.

In other words, suppose we allow cars on this 1000m stretch of road for 1000 seconds. In the first 100 seconds 0 cars have finished in the slow lane, but 10 cars have finished in the fast lane. For the next 800 seconds, a car in each lane finishes every second. But if want all cars off the road at the end of the 1000 seconds (the accurate ski analogy), you must stop allowing cars into the slow lane at the 900 second mark, but you can continue to allow cars into the fast lane until the 990 second mark .

How about that? That's all I've got time for at the moment, but I'm thinking the whole slower speed in the loading/unloading zone may play a factor as well.

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Please, please, oh my God, please, read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chairlift

Anyone have any TR's or pics of the snow in their area?

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