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O.K. so after the great hose explosion of 2011 I learned to tell the kids not to put 1/2 rolls of t.p. in the groover they have listened to that one and still comply.
Now how do I handle the ladies and their femine hygine products. Even after asking for them not to put in the tampons and and pads they still do. Should I buy yet another ammo can line it with a platic bag and make a sign that says put your femine hygine products here? I had such a lovley groover dump session that I had to wait a while before posting this due to the sheer complete shitshow that happened (no pun intended). So how do you all handle it?
 

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What groover are you using? I have an ecosafe, and have never had any problems of any kind in +15 years with it. I also use groover tamer as directed, and never have anything left but flowing sludge at the end.
 

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Eco safe, I use tamer, and the blue stuff. Top it off with water before dumping it. It was the first time I had this happen due to newbies using the groover.
 

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You must have an unruly or perhaps inattentive bunch of gals on your trip. We are usually about 50/50 guys to gals on our trips. At the first camp we have what we lovingly call "potty training." We go over groover placement, use, occupied vs unoccupied groover signal, TP issues, peeing in the groover issues, Feminine hygiene product etiquette, deodorizer use, etc. We provide a container for FH products, and have so far not had a problem. If we have newbies on the trip, we make sure they understand how things work, and the dire consequences that happen when they don't follow the rules, such as a broken scat machine, or groover disaster. We put the fear of God into them, and most times make the newbies assist with the RV dump/scat machine fun. They are much more apt to follow the rules if they know that the "Poo Disaster" will be on them at the end of the trip if they mess up.
 

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I actually add a little fresh water (not much, 1/2 a cup maybe) every day with the tamer, right on top of the powder after I drop it in, it seems to need it. I also tell the femmes to go ahead and pee in the groover, that also seems to help, and doesn't add all that much to volume. I have to believe all that combined with sun and agitation can dissolve anything. Maybe there are special bio-degradable femme products? Good luck laying down the rules on that issue. Check back if you survive.
 

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Eco safe, I use tamer, and the blue stuff. Top it off with water before dumping it. It was the first time I had this happen due to newbies using the groover.
We just are very specific when we do our first campsite set up. Then keep a small garbage bag right next to the groover just for feminine hygiene products.

If you don't get 100% buy in take a new tampon, put it water and show them how big it gets and then how hard it is for a machine (SCAT) to tear it up and explain that it will clog the works.
 

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What cataraftgirl said. Lay down the law. If you're not already doing so, use RV specific TP. Wallyworld's usually have an RV section with it in stock as well as about 2 dozen different groover chemicals to choose from. Some even come in dissolving little blister packs - super convenient. I looked at these and thought they'd be fun to shoot with a slingshot at groover rule offenders...******* paintball.
 

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Providing a place to dispose of feminine hygeine products is a very good idea. Most the ladies I go on the river with know how to menstruate inthe woods, but on a newbie trip I always personally pull the ladies aside and tell them not to put that stuff in the groover and not to toss it in the bushes either. I even tell them where there are extra baggies so that when the groover and trash aren't available they have some placed to put the used products. Personally, I'd rather have it in the groover than in the bushes!
 

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Interesting and informative. Why do you use a scat machine to dump? I hook up my big drain hose, connect some water to the small inlet port, and tip it on its side with the hose down in the dump station porthole. If you've got a different system, and I would love to hear about it, even if I never use it. This isn't a topic that gets discussed much.
 

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Why even use an RV dump? I use the grate that says "drains to stream"
 

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This isn't a topic that gets discussed much.
Welcome to Mountainbuzz. Stay tuned and you'll be an expert on grooverology within half a year.

they use scat machines because they've got them up in the NW. We don't have them in Colorado.

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Interesting and informative. Why do you use a scat machine to dump? I hook up my big drain hose, connect some water to the small inlet port, and tip it on its side with the hose down in the dump station porthole. If you've got a different system, and I would love to hear about it, even if I never use it. This isn't a topic that gets discussed much.
In Idaho and Oregon they have these wonderful things called scat machines located near the popular multi-day takeouts. The ones in Idaho are free. Or at least the ones I've used. They are kind of like a giant groover dishwasher. Big metal box with an area to strap down your groover (most brands, including the Gamma buckets will fit). Flip the lid shut, push a button, and voila.....a nice clean groover in a few minutes. Sometimes it takes two cycles to achieve a spotlessly clean groover, but there is no hose, dumping, splashing, smell, or hazmat suit needed. The down side it that when clueless folks put stuff other than poo, pee, TP, and water in the groover it can seriously damage a scat machine. Stuff like FH products, baby wipes, candy wrappers, sticks, rocks, etc. The scat machine in Riggins gets jammed up at least once every summer. They used to charge to use it so they could pay for the repairs. For now it's free. We always make the newbies play the "scat machine game." We carry a dedicated set of groover straps just for the scat machine.
 

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Oh, how I love friday afternoons.... you never know what someone will post on the Buzz.
Andy, given the recent proliferation of subscatagories can we add a Groover News Column?
 

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I think the one one the Rogue is $1. The one on the Deschutes near the Columbia is $5. If it doesn't clean it on the first shot, it gets kind of expensive.

We've had issues with the Eco safes. They don't strap easily on the machine (seems to be designed for a 5gal pail or ammo can.

So the Eco safes need to be strapped into the can, and you can get some toxic seepage between the Eco safe and the ammo can. No shit!
 

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Scat machines in Oregon are shut down during "off" season, so I've had to use RV dumps quite a bit with my eco-safe. It seems to work better if you leave it sitting "upright" until it runs clear, no large clumps of "stuff" all trying to come through at once. Water stirs it up and pushes waste out the top easily. It would be nice if the hose that comes with it was a couple of feet longer but it does just work.

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My groover is only used by my family or just the passengers in my boat. Some people dont like it because they have to bring their own but mine is never full and there is never a line. Ill share my whiskey and food but get your own groover.
 

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My groover is only used by my family or just the passengers in my boat. Some people dont like it because they have to bring their own but mine is never full and there is never a line. Ill share my whiskey and food but get your own groover.
Really? You just made my "Do not invite" list...
 

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Really? You just made my "Do not invite" list...
I laughed.

But I don't tell people what to carry in their own boat. If that person thinks that carrying their own groover excuses them from their turn handling the group groover then no Bueno.

Maybe he doesn't have enough friends to worry about it much.

I usually carry the kitchen so someone else carries groover except on one boat floats. Either that or I just crap in the river.....
 

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My groover is only used by my family or just the passengers in my boat. Some people dont like it because they have to bring their own but mine is never full and there is never a line. Ill share my whiskey and food but get your own groover.
Kinda odd. Never ran across that one before. I know some folks have toilet issues.We have one friend who is "potty shy" so we bring the groover hut for her. Another friend has issues with visualization of the poo with the Gamma lid bucket system, so we made a gamma seat /lid combo for him. But I've never had anyone bring their own personal groover. Whatever floats your boat I suppose. That means you have groover duty everyday on a trip & the post trip clean-up as well. As long as you're pitching in with all the other group chores I'd be ok with it ..... maybe? Just don't hog the best groover spots.
 
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