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We have a group of 7 kayakers coming from the southeast. Our launch date is March 2. Some people are driving out and some are driving. Takeout date is March 11 at diamond creek. Going to try and do a couple long days and have time for hiking on other days. We have one girl on the trip, she is super pumped if other girls can join. Open to the ideas of raft if it can do the miles. We have three openings at the $100 and have a week left to add 6 more at the $200. Feel free to email w any questions. [email protected]
 

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Nothing odd about a ten day trip, shorter trips in kayaks are becoming a norm in the canyon. Three day high water poaching missions are going to be the new big thing.

Why the different price points?
 

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Yeah, wanted longer but some of the group has commitments. Reason for different price is we purchased 10 right away @ 100 already have 7 in the group. So three left at 100. More than 10 is the late fee by park service.
 

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It's $200 for a spot if the spot is added within 90 days of launch. Looks like they first paid for 10 spots at $100 each.
 

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Rafts can do the miles - but they need to be on the river for more hours a day than kayaks in general to do it. It's 225 miles to Diamond, over ten days that's 22.5 miles a day. The current moves at around 4 mph on average (depends on flow, where you are in the canyon, etc). So about six hours of actual downstream travel gets it done. Add in some reasonable rowing and you go about one mph faster. Kayaks can add more like 2-3 mph with reasonable effort - so it's hard to keep a trip together if the kayakers are pressing the pace. If a raft goes and everyone adds gear to the raft - it's going to get heavy quick - heavy boats don't move much faster than the current.

Often the travel time issue starts when you leave camp in the morning. Most river trips I've been on leave camp at around 11 am. Stop for lunch around 1, get back on the river at 2, then stop at camp around 4 or 5. So 4 to 5 hours of downstream travel per day. That's about 16 to 20 miles a day - unless you stop to hike, or scout then it's less - often significantly less. If you can get on the river by 10 am, take one hour for lunch and don't mind getting to camp at 6 pm, you get 7 hours and about 28 miles covered assuming no hiking or scouts.
 
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