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Who’s a freedom fighter? Yes, you are. Yes, you are.

Please Take the Time to Watch These Videos! Click on the Link and You Can Watch the Videos for FREE. Your Future, Your Children's Future, and your Country's Future are at Stake. Stop Being Good Democrats. Stop Being Good Republicans. START BEING GOOD AMERICANS.

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"Those who would sacrifice Liberty for Security deserve neither."
Ben Franklin

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My topic got moved from its 'area'. Makes sense I guess,

Has anyone had the time to see these videos?

Or is this old news to most people?

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Boaters', we're a nation strong. We need you. You need you.

Below is a link to the library of congress website where you can view the entire Military Commissions Act (passed Oct. 18th, 2006)

If you peruse it, you’ll notice that (in section 7, habeas corpus matters) “NO PERSON” may petition a US court for a writ of habeas corpus on behalf of any “alien” or “enemy combatant” detained by the US.

Of course, at first, that might sound reasonable. Until you remember that habeas corpus (which roughly translated from latin means “show me the body”) is one of the oldest laws in existence, since the 1400’s (long before America), and simply requires that a detainee be brought in front of a judge to assure that he’s alive, and that he (and others) be told WHY he is being held… That’s all. That’s it. That’s all it requires. And we are so scared of these so-called “terrorists” (which are really nothing more than a loosely organized street gang) that we can’t even do that. Then… you realize that “enemy combatant” is defined in this bill as:

“a person who, before, on, or after the date of the enactment of the Military Commissions Act of 2006, has been determined to be an unlawful enemy combatant by a Combatant Status Review Tribunal or another competent tribunal established under the authority of the President or the Secretary of Defense.”

You will notice that NOWHERE in this bill are regular American citizens excepted from this new law… And that’s because… It applies to you too.

A secret “Combatant Status Review Tribunal” OR (even worse) “another competent tribunal established under the authority of the President or the Secretary of Defense” (secret because we aren’t even allowed to know why you’ve been detained, much less what they’re going to do to you next, and no lawyers, no media, no anyone is allowed into these proceedings, even for AMERICAN CITIZENS) gets to decide whether or not you are an enemy combatant… Whether or not YOU deserve to know why YOU are being held.

Once you are deemed an enemy combatant the real fun begins. Your so-called representatives (more than half of whom are felons, by the way) told us that this bill eliminates torture. Can you tell I’m laughing right now? Or is it crying? Because the bill defines torture as:

`”(A) TORTURE- The act of a person who commits, or conspires or attempts to commit, an act specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering (other than pain or suffering incidental to lawful sanctions)”

It’s now legal to abuse you up until the point of “severe physical or mental pain” at which point they stop, right? Remember, they haven’t even told you WHY you’re there yet. And of course, no one is allowed in the room to witness whether or not that “rule” is being followed. And notice that it has to be “specifically intended to inflict” that “severe pain”… What if it’s “specifically intended” to “get information”? Can you then go above and beyond “severe”? And let’s not forget that the reason it had to be defined in the bill is because anything you say while they abuse you up to the point of “substantial risk of death” (see below) CAN BE USED AGAINST YOU IN A TRIBUNAL OR AN AMERICAN COURT.

Here’s how “severe physical pain” is defined in this bill.

“`(D) the term `serious physical pain or suffering' shall be applied for purposes of paragraph (1)(B) as meaning bodily injury that involves--

`(i) a substantial risk of death;

`(ii) extreme physical pain;

`(iii) a burn or physical disfigurement of a serious nature (other than cuts, abrasions, or bruises); or

`(iv) significant loss or impairment of the function of a bodily member, organ, or mental faculty;”

So, they’ll stop short of disfiguring your “bodily member”… Phew… But who defines “extreme” physical pain? Remember, this applies to you now, too.

But, wait. The comedy just keeps coming!


“The President has the authority for the United States to interpret the meaning and application of the Geneva Conventions”

So much for setting a good example. So much for hoping all the other countries who signed that same treaty would treat OUR soldiers according to it’s rules. So much for America as we were taught about it in history class. The “free country”.

So… What the hell? Why not just keep sipping our wine by the fire? If we’ve got nothing to hide, what’s the problem, right?

Wrong. To all of you who pretend this bill will protect you from “terrorists”, I pity you. It protects your government FROM YOU. Thomas Jefferson would slap you. And come to think of it, I’m probably going to end up slapping you as well. George Washington might shoot you. You stopped being involved. You stopped being informed. Now you’re being enslaved. But, hey, at least you get to watch whatever TV shows you want in the meantime, right?
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