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HUGE thanks fellas, for your hard work and time into making Bomb Flow TV. i just watched all three of your vids, and they were really incredible.

i have paid money to watch kayak videos that dont hold a candle to what you guys are giving for free. its a refreshing change in the sport, and i cant wait to see your future episodes! the pacific northwest one was especially sick!

for those of you that havent seen it, do it now. its not your average homemade film, with jerky camera action and lots of terrible editing. these are quality, well made movies, and they did a great job in the edit room. one of the better free movies you will ever watch.

Pacific Northwest Episode
 

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Yeah, they do cool stuff.

The newest generation of technology will allow all of us to make some incredible videos, with the HD Go Pros and relatively cheap/effective software editing equipment. Add jump cuts, fast edits, music, and you're professional!
 

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technology helps, but the human element plays a big portion of it. framing shots, knowing what shots to film, setting up shots, etc. technology is going to make the shots you take more clear, but it still takes a good eye for identifying and setting up the shot to make it work. its called cinematography. and these boys nailed it. their cinematography is one of the things that makes these episodes great.
 

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Yeah, they do cool stuff.

The newest generation of technology will allow all of us to make some incredible videos, with the HD Go Pros and relatively cheap/effective software editing equipment. Add jump cuts, fast edits, music, and you're professional!
Totally bro, no raw talent there, just taking advantage of modern technology. We can all make films like that now...

Look at 95% of gopro heros - they never get out of their boat to shoot someone else, they dont frame shots, they just slap it on their helmet, raft, painter's pole or whatever, and hit record. Its the laziest way to film out there. Yes, they do get good footage, but can you watch a 100% gopro video?

There are a few of those guys on here doing that style - talented boaters not talented film makers. Running the gnar, speeding up the in between stuff footage, adding a little slo-mo on a boof, and grounding it with some bad hip/hop...sound familiar? It is played out, get out of the boat and try something new.

Garcia/Norquist are putting together some complex edits and their effort shows. Keep it up fellas, that was a ridiculous spring break!
 

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Holy shit! Amazing video... Unreal drops... Laughing my ass off at the goofy little white segment.

I know these guys are at the top of the sport, but it amazes me that they survived the shit they ran. 90% of those drops looked like 90% chance of an ER visit if I ran them. Blown away.
 

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Good stuff. I've enjoyed watching both of your clips for years. Great shots and editing.

I too can't believe more people aren't getting hurt doing this. It is not for lack of trying.

Most of these guys rock and are probably not being that reckless, but some of the guys on there look like they are running shit upside down, backwards, and, well, not even in the boat. referring specifically to Chile #1.

Also, I like to drink as much as the next guy, but do we need to make such a big deal about it? There are lots of kids watching these vids. I don't expect mother Theresa, but think about the example you set for the kids that look up to you.

Sorry for preaching; get that brown!
 

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technology helps, but the human element plays a big portion of it. framing shots, knowing what shots to film, setting up shots, etc. technology is going to make the shots you take more clear, but it still takes a good eye for identifying and setting up the shot to make it work. its called cinematography. and these boys nailed it. their cinematography is one of the things that makes these episodes great.
Totally bro, no raw talent there, just taking advantage of modern technology. We can all make films like that now...

Look at 95% of gopro heros - they never get out of their boat to shoot someone else, they dont frame shots, they just slap it on their helmet, raft, painter's pole or whatever, and hit record. Its the laziest way to film out there. Yes, they do get good footage, but can you watch a 100% gopro video?

There are a few of those guys on here doing that style - talented boaters not talented film makers. Running the gnar, speeding up the in between stuff footage, adding a little slo-mo on a boof, and grounding it with some bad hip/hop...sound familiar? It is played out, get out of the boat and try something new.

Garcia/Norquist are putting together some complex edits and their effort shows. Keep it up fellas, that was a ridiculous spring break!
I completely agree. I fully realize what it takes to put together edits like this - my best friend is a filmmaker who both does - and works with fairly accomplished cinematographers, and I've been involved in the entire process.

I think what sets them apart is not their framing or even the shots they nail, but the fact that they're running shit that 99% of us aren't running. I mean, for the most part you're limited in how you frame a shot when creeking. You have your helmet cam footage, which is what it is for the most part, and you have what you're able to grab from a cliffside or on the shore line. You get a bunch of shots with great HD quality and spend some time editing and more often than not you'll get something that looks great.

And personally, I like the introspection that people like Anson Fogel and Skip Armstrong bring to their footage rather than the huck-and-claw approach of Demshitz... though I will fully admit that Fred's Dipper Creek edit is the coolest kayaking porn I've seen.

I'm not saying anyone can grab a GoPro HD and make what they're making... but what they're filming isn't that spectacular once you figure out your equipment, get your settings dialed in, spent some time with Final Cut Pro and add some bad dubstep or hip hop. But.. they're having fun and doing what they want to do and I have zero problem with that.

Skaters, boarders, and dirt bikers have been doing it for a few decades now and the film styles always becomes formulaic very quickly.
 

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good stuff for sure but just cuz these 2 are lucky enough to not have to work isn't a reason to bash the rest ;no priorities would b awesome
 

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I was thinking that too...

So much time to travel around the world and run (and rerun and rerun) the shit for shots, coupled with the insanely and ridiculously awesome shit they're actually running... equals bomber footage.

There's a reason you don't see dope kayak porn on your local class III river.
 

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i agree that to a point its made better by what they are running....

but my opinion is still that the quality of the film is still greatly influenced by those behind the lens, and those who are setting up the shots.

ive seen some incredible segments and short films come from class III sections that were shot on a $200 sony cam. likewise, a friend of mine spent $4,000 on a fancy ass camera with all the bells and whistles four years ago, and has thus far to date produced three segments that are mediocre at best. you can have the highest quality camera, the widest array of lenses, the most expensive light meter, blah blah blah, all you want......but if you dont have a good eye for filming then its not going to come together.

you can take a shot of a guy dropping a 65' waterfall and its going to look sick, any way you put it. but to blend together a movie of any length with many different shots of different rivers and creeks and lifestyle shots, takes a keen eye to come away with different and new shots all the time. framing the waterfall between two tree branches. zooming in so it goes from blurry to focused right as the guy comes off the lip. panning in from looking away. having someone dancing next to the waterfall right before someone else goes off.

its not about just fading in and fading out and utilizing your basic barn door and slide away transitions. putting lots of clips together in a way that they dont get boring, and constantly draws your attention in, is the key to making a great video. the technology helps, and the ability to go run these stout browns all the time helps too, but so much of what you see is a result of the creativity that comes from within.

Take the LW segment in the PacNW segment for example. It's hilarious, and it's a great segment. Why? They took time to set up the shots. There's a great shot where the pan around and then capture a guy boofing. The dancing is all super funny, but more importantly, well placed and situated. There's a great shot of them blue angel-ing over a drop. The close up intros of each one of them is great. They could have stuck together a bunch of shots of the river itself, over and over, and yeah, it would have been good kayaking. But to take the time and set up all the other shots, the dancing, the browning, the lifestyle.....it took creativity and the willingness to set up those shots. It wasn't 100% kayaking, it was 70% kayaking and 30% cinematography that made that segment look really good.
 

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Haha ya their edits make mine look like shit! I got a decent camera and final cut. I'm 17 and didn't have a job this summer so I just kayaked... this didn't make me be able to put together sick edits like them. Even if nobody had to work, 99.9999% of people would never run or think about running the shit that they do. While I'm stuck in school I am so damn grateful that I can get through the day by putting these videos on repeat! It ain't technology and a lack of responsibilities that make these videos. Its balls, skills, and just general epicness. And thank god for ridiculous things people say on mountainbuzz... gotta get my comedy for the day too!
 

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zooming in so it goes from blurry to focused right as the guy comes off the lip. panning in from looking away.. this takes a good camera with 1080hd capabile no 200 dollar camera. you can try doin shots with any other and its not the same. plus multiple go pros make it ten times easier. whos going actually take it off your helmet cam in the middle of the run that just slows the group down more. to get those type of shots on that many rivers you have to have your main priority as Kayaking. I think its kick ass these guys get to live that lifestyle but its not for everybody. Im hoping to buy a new Camera and a Apple to edit videos on. because in order to create a good edit you must have powerful tools specilly for a 30 minute movie.. desk top pcs dont have the power, apples are specialized in that.. so you talking about 4 g's in gear not talking lenses. personally i need a new kayak, new drysuit, breakdown paddle, new helmet, new shoes, new playboat,, so you can see my main priority of paying gas is what my income basically goes to keep kayaking, the main reason im going places. camera or airline ticket is the next priority ill opt for the ticket anyday.

plus its garcia you expect anything less. he's been firing shit up since he waas filming with Rush lots of porn knowledge there
 

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BOMB FLOW IS THE SHIT! EG and Gnarquist are my buddies and trust me, they spend countless hours going over footage and getting footage before the final cut. For every minute you watch, they literally went through hours of footage. Demshitz run the stout browns all day and then party all night. It's not only the kayaking, it's the lifestyle and being able to portray that to the masses via media. In addition, Bomb Flow isn't just free kayak porn online, it's also the newest whitewater magazine that they put together. So go out and subscribe to Bomb Flow and tell your local shops to carry Bomb Flow. That way these guys can keep hucking the shit and telling the story of whitewater kayaking. It's only going to get bigger and better, DEMSHITZ RULEZ MANY BROWN STOUTS TO ALL!!!!
 

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I'd like to see more star fades in and out à la Homer Simpson. Make it happen, youshitz.
 
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