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About Grand Canyon and other places we enjoy: (Ethan Aumack)
As the election dust settles, I'd like to share some of what this upcoming transition means for protecting the Grand Canyon, the Little Colorado River, and our national monuments. These are issues we can unite around.

National Monuments


We expect key decisions, including restoring the original boundaries of Bears Ears and Grand Staircase-Escalante national monuments, in the first 100 days of the next administration. We will continue to push for restoring the monuments, including the original vision of intertribal co-management of the vital cultural landscapes of Bears Ears National Monument.

Uranium Mining near the Grand Canyon

With both of Arizona's senators and President-elect Biden strongly opposing uranium mining on public lands around the Grand Canyon, we'll have our best chance yet to finally make a permanent Grand Canyon mining ban a reality. After more than a decade of working toward this goal, now is the moment to push it over the finish line.

Protecting the Confluence and the Little Colorado River

The new administration also presents significant opportunities for supporting Native-led movements to permanently protect the confluence of the Colorado and Little Colorado rivers inside the Grand Canyon. This is an area of great cultural, historical, and religious significance to the Navajo, Hopi, and many other tribes and nations who call the Grand Canyon region home. Now is the time to protect it from dams, trams, and other inappropriate development schemes, forever.
 

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Except that there currently is no President-elect Biden. No such thing exists.
While that's quite true at this juncture, we can always hope it becomes a permanent situation. Unfortunately, that likely won't be the case once the catastrophe that the 2020 election becomes sorted out and the powers that be issue a final decision.
 

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Except that there currently is no President-elect Biden. No such thing exists.
Correct, but maybe we're all putting too much stock in which Lizard-person we elected.

I agree with the tone of the video. Us regular people need to work together. Our fellow Americans are not the enemy.
 

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The video is typical of mass media, focus on a heart warming story and ignore the elephant in the room. While I agree that efforts to log by thinning forests are preferable to clear cutting, the real issue is climate change. I'm sure all the conservatives will jump up with all their tired arguments - Don't forget the latest lie from the right is that 'Yes, climate change is happening, but there is no proof it is caused by people'. The other lie from the right AND THE ESTABLISHMENT LEFT is 'It will destroy our economy if we transition to clean energy'. Both are lies. It is these lies that are destroying the only planet we have to live on.
 

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Whatever is causing climate change, our forest ecology is fooked.

The natives used to set controlled burns (not to mention natural lightning fire), so going back thousands of years, our western forests have adapted to NEED fire.

Now we've had 100 years of outright suppression and the forests are a tinder box. We no longer have natural fires that burn out the understory and thin some trees, we have catastrophic wildfires that scorch everything down to bare earth, and all the erosion/sedimentation that goes with it.

Moving to clean energy won't fix the forests. I can agree that climate change is a major issue, but it didn't cause our forest issues, and won't solve them.
 

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If you want to extend the argument out that far, are we really even worried about the Earth, or isn't this all about saving the humans?

We could absolutely make Earth uninhabitable for ourselves, but in 500-1,000 years time the Earth would rebound.
 

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Correct, but maybe we're all putting too much stock in which Lizard-person we elected.

I agree with the tone of the video. Us regular people need to work together. Our fellow Americans are not the enemy.
Perhaps not only work together, but meet virtually (for now) to share a beer, river stories, raising a teenager, looking for work, what we really enjoy, jokes (clean and dirty) and JUST LISTEN and laugh and giggle and shake our heads and edit what comes out of our mouths
 

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Don't forget the latest lie from the right is that 'Yes, climate change is happening, but there is no proof it is caused by people'. The other lie from the right AND THE ESTABLISHMENT LEFT is 'It will destroy our economy if we transition to clean energy'. Both are lies. It is these lies that are destroying the only planet we have to live on.
I agree man has an impact on climate. Just look at China to see the evidence. Giving America's wealth to Paris is definitely a ploy by the one worlders to enrich themselves. Also, America is the cleanest running country in the world. Now as far as uranium mining, sure... put a stop to it where it damages environment or otherwise impacts humans. ANother thing you mentioned. We are currently transitioning to alternative energy sources. We in Florida are installing solar power on our homes at a phenomenal rate.
 

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Perhaps not only work together, but meet virtually (for now) to share a beer, river stories, raising a teenager, looking for work, what we really enjoy, jokes (clean and dirty) and JUST LISTEN and laugh and giggle and shake our heads and edit what comes out of our mouths
Kudos!
 

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And given the fact that there isn't a way to recycle solar panels economically, and their relatively short life, 15 years before they need to be replaced, alternative, yes, "green" or ecologically responsible, not so much.. they just land in the landfills...

Just like all the electric cars that use all that clean power from the coal fired power plants.. Gives you a "feel good moment" for a while, but does nothing to address the ecologically damaging footprint... Now, development of nuclear energy IS "green", but that takes uranium which has to come from somewhere, and nobody wants a nuke plant in their town despite 20 some odd plants operating safely in the USA that you never hear about, and have been for years...
 

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California recently put a million people on limited power status because of fires, etc., and this isn't the first time they have imposed major cutbacks in power availability. That's happening with current electrical demands.

I'm waiting to hear how they will tell vast numbers of electric vehicle owners in the future that they can't charge them due to inherent grid insufficiencies. Particularly at night and on windless days...
 

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And given the fact that there isn't a way to recycle solar panels economically, and their relatively short life, 15 years before they need to be replaced, alternative, yes, "green" or ecologically responsible, not so much.. they just land in the landfills...

Just like all the electric cars that use all that clean power from the coal fired power plants.. Gives you a "feel good moment" for a while, but does nothing to address the ecologically damaging footprint... Now, development of nuclear energy IS "green", but that takes uranium which has to come from somewhere, and nobody wants a nuke plant in their town despite 20 some odd plants operating safely in the USA that you never hear about, and have been for years...
MT4runner, Just wondering, what is a "lizard person" and who are you parroting. You hear such stupid words from some loud mouth fool like Limbaugh and then you go around acting like a parrot.

Check your facts MNichols. Good engineers check their facts.

The future of coal plants in the US is practically nil. They just really aren't being built anymore. Mostly natural gas being built and replacing coal. Coal is no longer economic and more expensive then most renewables.

"Coal’s share of the U.S. electricity mix fell from 48% in 2008 to 27% in 2018 and is projected to be 22% in 2020, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration, the statistical agency of the U.S. Department of Energy."

Electrical car production is increasing annually. New technologies are increasing their mileage. Soon to be PRESIDENT BIDEN will build the infrastructure to make them even more attractive.

Life expectancy for a solar panel is 25-30 years. A substantial portion of the cost is the infrastructure, not the panels. New panel technology, reduced costs and increased efficiencies will likely mean you'll want to replace them in 25-30 years anyway and likely for a fraction of the original cost. Panel recycling methods are under development and being deployed.

Their are 58 nuclear plants in the US average age 38 years. Decommissioning a single nuclear plant costs potentially a billions of dollars, more than their original construction cost for some of them. The same will be true for any nuclear plant constructed using current technology. Storage of nuclear waste is not determined at this time and is hugely expensive. Less dangerous reactors are in development than uranium reactor.

Why does no body want a reactor in there town? Consider many near misses that you don't hear about and the following billion to tens-of-billions of dollars disasters:
  • Fukushima Daiichi. estimated 470 to 660 billion dollars to cleanup
  • Chernobyl.
  • Three Mile Island.
  • Enrico Fermi Unit 1.
  • SL-1.
  • Sodium Reactor Experiment
If you are going to trumpet a cause at least don't spout lies. It destroys your credibility.
 

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Electrical car production is increasing annually. New technologies are increasing their mileage. Soon to be PRESIDENT BIDEN will build the infrastructure to make them even more attractive.
No matter how efficient the cars are becoming if California can't charge them. They're having trouble keeping the lights on. To the second part that I quoted, I just gotta laugh.
 
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