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Dear paddlers:

We're looking for some class IV-V expedition paddlers to round out our group of rafters/kayakers intending to descend Rio Pampas-Apurimac in Peru. This is a Grand Canyon style trip on one of the cleanest most beautiful rivers in South America:

270 miles
18 days
class IV (some V)
big water!
~May18-Jun6

Much of the Pampas will be first descent. Estimated flows ~7000 cfs on the Pampas and ~25000 cfs on the Apurimac. There are 3 huge hydro dams planned for the middle of the river. It will be lost before anyone knows its beauty. We want to document it and oppose the dams!

Costs are shared. Take a look at some more info:
Rio Pampas-Apurimac guided raft/kayak expedition: 9-18 days, up to 450 km, class IV; Shared costs; JOIN US!

Rocky Contos
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This sounds great, until you get to the part where Rocky expects you to help buy or bring boats that he will keep after the trip. Apparently he thinks "cost sharing" involves mandatory "contributions" to his company.
You might consider bringing your own kayak or raft to use, but expect to pay to get it to Peru and to leave it for future use by SierraRios.
you can expect an equipment contribution of as little as $600-700; perhaps more for a raft passenger/paddler. With fewer participants, expect to contribute more - up to $1200.
 

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Costs now completely shared

Cost structure of the trip is now completely shared:

COST: SHARED
Costs for shuttle, food, and group equipment will be split among the group. It is hard to know exactly how much it will all come too, but consider that a similarly-outfitted 18-day Grand Canyon-style trip in the USA generally costs ~$1000/person (e.g. see Pro, REO, Moenkopi)]. Roughly, expect about the same. That breaks down to about half going toward food/shuttle ($400-500/person), and another half going toward rafts/group camping gear ($400-600/person). The exact cost per person will depend on how many people join the trip, if you bring your own boat, how much you help with pre-trip organzation, etc. We anticipate having at least two support rafts: a 16' NRS cataraft and a 16' self bailer with frame, with possibly additional support from two more 12-14' catarafts. SierraRios has some kayaks available for the trip if you don't want to bring your own.


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UPDATED INFO

I just heard from Tom Hughes, who with a group of kayakers paddled the lower part of the Pampas in 1998. He said it was class IV+ with one long portage. Sounds like a great raftable river aside from the one portage. I updated the webpage description announcing our expedition:
Rio Pampas-Apurimac guided raft/kayak expedition: 9-18 days, up to 450 km, class IV; Shared costs; JOIN US!

Rocky

Tom wrote a while back:

Rio Pampas
Grade4 and 4+. Access by bus from Cusco to Puente Pampas. Eight days long, one day portaging. Finishing in the BIG water grade 4 and 5 Apurimac Canyon. Egressing this river is an adventure in itself... From San Francisco take a truck to Ayacucho, the trucks only travel in daylight and in convoy for some reason. From Ayacucho you can either bus it back to Cusco (24 uncomfortable hours) or fly to Lima and then onto either Cusco or home (there are no direct flights to Cusco).
 
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