I've never gotten a permit draw and iam pretty new to boating and trips ect...I got a permit and I invited so and so and so and so and so and so forth till I thought I had invited the total allowed number. THEN..so and so said we cant and so and so said we cant then I invited others then they said wait we can but now were not 2 anymore were 3 and on and on and on UNTILL , when the smoke cleared, I over invited and got the reall un pleasant opportunity to say oh sorry you cant go cause so and so and blah blah. Wtf! Now I have people who are truly hurt by me "being a dick" cause they cant go and they never even answered my texts or emails. Untill I find a good group or as I try and BUILD one how does a guy get this done with it not making a drama. You cant say yes no yes and be upset. Yes you would need a boat and some wool socks. I wonder how on earth you guys organize a Grand Canyon trip!! And how to get people to commit and know that there spot could be a missed opportunity for someone else if they cancle? I dunno iam just stressed that people are dumb and iam really dumb so that's bad. You guys have plans for a sign up that doesnt make it weird?