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No doubt. My Missoula buddy has some Sawyer V-lams he runs on his drift boat...those are super light.
When I got behind those sticks a few weeks ago, I realized immediately mine were too heavy. My smokers are old school and a bit heavier...but still lighter than the ones I made.
I'm thinning the wood in the blades down to 1/8" thick and researching some fiberglass/carbon wrap options.

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Do you epoxy flow coat your grips?
 

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No doubt. My Missoula buddy has some Sawyer V-lams he runs on his drift boat...those are super light.
When I got behind those sticks a few weeks ago, I realized immediately mine were too heavy. My smokers are old school and a bit heavier...but still lighter than the ones I made.
I'm thinning the wood in the blades down to 1/8" thick and researching some fiberglass/carbon wrap options.

I went for 3/16" edges/tips with glass wraps.
Spines are 1 5/8" at the neck tapering to 3/16" at the tip, and tapers from whatever the center of the spine is to 3/16" edges.

1/8" seems too thin. Not much distance between the glass/CF faces--and distance between those two shells is where your monococque strength comes from.





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Do you epoxy flow coat your grips?

Yep, always have.


Have heard the arguments to keep them bare wood, but I'd rather deal with slick epoxy/varnish than with potential doug fir splinters.




I just tried hockey grip tape on my kayak paddle for cold weather paddling...it was awesome. Also added some grip wax, and the wax stuck better to the cotton than it ever did to my bare paddle shaft. I'm going to give it a try on my oar grips this spring.
 

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I just tried hockey grip tape on my kayak paddle for cold weather paddling...it was awesome. Also added some grip wax, and the wax stuck better to the cotton than it ever did to my bare paddle shaft. I'm going to give it a try on my oar grips this spring.
Hickey grip tape is great... unless you are paddling/rowing barehanded and haven't gotten those season calluses. If you still have soft/dry winter skin then the abrasiveness of the hockey tape can rip your thumb raw.

Thinking I might try fake cork bike handle bar wrap on my oars. Its soft and slightly forms to you grip over time - not sure how it will hold up to continuous river use.
 

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Hickey grip tape is great... unless you are paddling/rowing barehanded and haven't gotten those season calluses. If you still have soft/dry winter skin then the abrasiveness of the hockey tape can rip your thumb raw.

Agree, got the blister on the back of my thumb on my right hand to show for it.

May trim the tape so only my middle-ring-pinky fingers lie over the tape.

I don't see it as much of an issue on oar handles.
 

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Hey guys,

Generally, my oars turned out pretty good, but I am also having issues with swing weight. Basically, they balance great on my clackacraft, but just ok on my raft frame (which has approximately 6" shorter beam length that the clack, I think). I think I should have removed more material from the blades to make them thinner and less broad. If my oars break, I think it will be at the wrist right before the blade. Otherwise, the flex, etc. is great.

Do you guys think trying to remove the epoxy/fiberglass from the blades is a nonstarter? I figured it might be better to just make another set in the end.

Here are the best pics I have:





 

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Agree, got the blister on the back of my thumb on my right hand to show for it.

May trim the tape so only my middle-ring-pinky fingers lie over the tape.

I don't see it as much of an issue on oar handles.
Varnished grips were too slippery if I had sunscreen on my hands.

I did a few wraps of hockey tape on my handles when I was on my Main trip so it was under my middle-ring-pinky fingers and really liked it.

Hey guys,

Generally, my oars turned out pretty good, but I am also having issues with swing weight. Basically, they balance great on my clackacraft, but just ok on my raft frame (which has approximately 6" shorter beam length that the clack, I think). I think I should have removed more material from the blades to make them thinner and less broad. If my oars break, I think it will be at the wrist right before the blade. Otherwise, the flex, etc. is great.

Do you guys think trying to remove the epoxy/fiberglass from the blades is a nonstarter? I figured it might be better to just make another set in the end.
Go for it, what do you have to lose?

I recently found that a big 7" angle grinder with a sanding pad and 60-grit makes FAST work of removing fiberglass. Do it outside/with a respirator/with a vaccum/dust collector!!

From what I could see of your pic, you do have material you can remove without losing strength.

Do this like I did:

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More oars:
My friend wanted some gigantic 11'-6" oars, so he's getting gigantic 11'6" oars!

I found some more gorgeous tight grain old growth douglas fir. Previous oars were clear vertical grade #2. The guy at the local sawmill recommended I try out select, which is a tight grain flat-sawn wood. Perfect for this use. Once I resawed it and rotated it 90° it became vertical anyway. haha.


This is the absolute most beautiful tight-grained, straight-grained wood I have ever seen.



He also wanted counterweights, so I added #8 rebar, which is what he got!
Used a 1" cove cutter in the shaper and cut 1/2" deep in each side.

#8 bar is 2.167 lbs per foot, so I cut it into 11" sticks. Each piece of rebar got epoxy coated for rust resistance, and then bedded in thickened epoxy.

Shaft blanks are clamped with strong backs for straightness. I'll taper and round the shafts in the next couple evenings and get them ready for blade gluing.
 

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That’s freaking brilliant, with the rebar!

I’ve always had trouble lamming up wood, end up with a cup in it. That clamp system shows me how I should be doing it!
 

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That's cause he's got a gigantic boat !!

Flippin gorgeous wood..
It's incredible. I had two extra staves (which was only enough for one more oar). Was tempted to eke out enough for two shafts, but that would have made the final dimensions a little tight. Lots of leverage on 11'-6", so we'll make sure there's plenty of beef through the loom.


The extra staves will get cut into blocks to make blades so they match the shafts perfectly. :)

And I have a line on some even prettier figured walnut.
 

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That's cause he's got a gigantic boat !!

Flippin gorgeous wood..
It's incredible. I had two extra staves (which was only enough for one more oar). Was tempted to eke out enough for two shafts, but that would have made the final dimensions a little tight. Lots of leverage on 11'-6", so we'll make sure there's plenty of beef through the loom.


The extra staves will get cut into blocks to make blades so they match the shafts perfectly. <img src="http://www.mountainbuzz.com/forums/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" class="inlineimg" />

And I have a line on some even prettier figured walnut.
Now you're causing me to salivate! Actually drool lol
 

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beautiful, just beautiful! But my biggest question is.........








Do you have a freakin' job? Good Christ you're always building cool shit and I can't keep up with all the have to fix/build/do shit much less have time to build something fun. GRRRRRRR, I'm jealous of your life, whatever it is!!!!!!!
 

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beautiful, just beautiful! But my biggest question is.........

Do you have a freakin' job? Good Christ you're always building cool shit and I can't keep up with all the have to fix/build/do shit much less have time to build something fun. GRRRRRRR, I'm jealous of your life, whatever it is!!!!!!!
I don't watch TV! And my yard needs mowed and the deck needs painted.

I'm kind of manic about building things, always has been. My brain goes in overdrive and I can't not build things.




I sit at a desk and argue with people about money on the phone while I daydream about my current shop projects.


But I did get 28 days on the water including a Main trip, 8 runs on the Lochsa, 8 on the Gallatin, and a few on the MF Flathead and Lower Flathead. I would love to be able to build oars and dories as a job and have free time to boat even more.
 

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it was my worst boating year in 25 years.... one overnight and a dozen day floats... due to: working too much, getting divorced, moved girlfriend in, building addition to house, started riding horses again, (they take ALOT of time..........) and now, scouts has kicked back in full gear (there goes 2 or 3 nights a week). Right now, I'm getting a couple days a week further behind each week. I see my 2020 season shaping up like this one. Oh well, I'm healthy and happier at home then I was for most of those 25 years of river life. I'll get back there eventually, but in the mean time I'm still going to complain about people like you :D
 

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it was my worst boating year in 25 years.... one overnight and a dozen day floats... due to: working too much, getting divorced, moved girlfriend in, building addition to house, started riding horses again, (they take ALOT of time..........) and now, scouts has kicked back in full gear (there goes 2 or 3 nights a week). Right now, I'm getting a couple days a week further behind each week. I see my 2020 season shaping up like this one. Oh well, I'm healthy and happier at home then I was for most of those 25 years of river life. I'll get back there eventually, but in the mean time I'm still going to complain about people like you :D
I hope for continued happiness for you.


I think this is the 2nd or 3rd most days I've boated. I once went 48 months in a row without missing a day, and one of those years boated 46 days. Almost got divorced.


My girls are a junior and senior in HS, so we're also plenty busy with 4-H market hogs and youth hockey. Their having drivers' licenses in the past 3 years also freed up considerable time to play in the shop. Before then I didn't build much since 2011 or so.


I thought you were married ?!?!?!?!

MY wife does the painting and mowing !! Leaving me more time to do the really important things like mess with wooden boats and oars LOL
28 days on the river and I'm still happily married. I think we've struck a fine balance! She isn't yet into multidays, but she loves camping with me at the Lochsa. I'm hoping to get her out on a couple of mellow overnights on the dory next season. Younger daughter had never done an overnight river trip and went with me for the maiden voyage and enjoyed it. The dory is going to be a game changer for me.

I did pass up two Grand invites this season (both before the dory's completion) but it's at the top of my bucket list. Life will change quite a bit when the girls graduate and I hope give me more free time for rivers. My wifey has even said she would consider going on the Grand with me...not sure how a 3-week trip will go for her after she hasn't done an overnight, but we have time to work up to that. I'm jealous of the gorgeous sunset pic of you and your wife on the Grand, MNichols!

When I'm old er, much grayer and sitting on the porch on the old boaters home, I hope not to have any regrets about river trips missed, and I know I won't have any regrets about the condition of my yard! I should have some great stories to tell the staff; who knows if they will believe me.
 

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Wifey on the Big Ditch is a good thing, at least with MY wife. We had a great time, but then my wife is an outdoorsman as well. Truth be told, at least from my standpoint, group dynamics have always been more difficult to deal with then personal dynamics between my wife and I, although her not wanting to sleep on the boat causes me to have to rig a @#$% tent nightly, and break it down in the AM, which is something I can do without LOL.



Yeah, that photo is pretty cool...
 

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Arrggghhh, this has me jonesing for time to start a dory. I did get 35 days in this year, RHT, Yellowstone, Stillwater, Deso, Main; built a full roller trailer (load and unload in 5 minutes now!!!); finished my shop; kids in too many activities to count; major foundation project on my 120 year old house; 2 project cars in process... And ski season is coming up.

Amen on no TV, and I could have written the statement on arguing about money on the phone while dreaming about the next project. If I go more than a couple of days without making or fixing something I get annoyingly twitchy. My wife is all in on boating, but she thinks I want to spend too many days on the water sometimes and complains I never have enough time to just, you know, "be"

I argue that all am ever doing is just "being"

Here's to projects, dreams, and river time !
 

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My wife is all in on boating, but she thinks I want to spend too many days on the water sometimes and complains I never have enough time to just, you know, "be"

I argue that all am ever doing is just "being"
On the water is the only place I truly "am".


I'm glad for the time my wife chooses to camp with me. Getting her a (DIY) PVC pad this summer had her comfy on the ground, so I'm hopeful for more next summer. If not and she tents/star camps with me 2-3 nights again I'll still be happy.
 
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