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I would like to relate a very dissapointing experience I had at Escalante this past weekend in an effort to give others a heads up that not all boaters are the type of people some of us would like to think they are.

I headed out to Escalante this past Friday evening with my girlfriend and dog to meet up with some friends that had boated Escalante on Thursday and to get my first run of the year in. I have been to Escalante many times before and had great memories of nice weather and great camping. My girlfriend came along to get out of the Eagle county and to run shuttle. She had never hung out around boaters before, but I assured her they are some of the friendliest people I know.

When we got to the place where my friends were camping (they had arrived on Thursday) there was another group there with them. My friend advised me to pitch my tent well away from the campfire as the other group (some of whom he had boated with before) was known to party late and get rowdy. I pitched my tent a reasonable distance away and began to have a few beers, socialize, and relax. At about 11:30 some guys from the other group walked off and then started shooting off a gun. My dog totally freaked out and ran off. I approached the 4 guys that were shooting and asked them to stop as it was scaring my dog. They weren't too friendly but they did stop shooting.

I found my dog and had another beer then went to bed around 12. At about 1 I was awakened by another round of gunfire. I was concerned about my dog but also about my safety and the safety of my girlfriend because these guys were drinking heavily and there had been talk that some of them might have taken mushrooms earlier that night. I got out of bed and approached the campfire where 4 guys were still hanging out (everyone else had gone to bed). Their names I think were Conner Finney, Alex Holtz, a guy named Chris from Gunni or the Butte, and a fourth guy whose name I did not catch. I asked them again to please stop shooting. They were very aggressive and basically told me they were rednecks camping, could do whatever they wanted, and if I didn't like it I should camp somewhere else. I told them I would have if I would have known they would be shooting guns all night. I again asked them to stop shooting. Three of them were very abrasive and rude and said they would definetely not stop. Chris tried to mediate and told me he would try to stop them. I have never been treated like that at a boater campfire. As a school teacher I am usually very patient and not easily angered but I really wanted to kick their asses at this point. But, given the fact that their were four of them and only one of me and they had guns I decided to head back to my tent and hope for the best.

Sure enough, about 30 minutes later they opened up with more gunfire. As I sat thinking about what I should do, one of them came over and shook my tent. I stuck my head out but he had run away before I could put my shoes on. At this point I felt these guys had it in for me and I was extremely angry/nervous. I woke my friend up who knew a few of them and asked him to talk to them as I was either going to call the police or get in a fight. He talked to them and they assured him they were going to bed (this was around 3am). They did, but I was up for a while.

In the morning, I found that they had stolen some things I had left by the campfire, including an expensive bottle of tequila, 2 bags of ice out of my cooler, beer from my cooler, and some food from my cooler. Chris and Alex both apologized and Alex gave me some ice and offered me some money for the tequila. However, the other two (Conner, and the fourth guy) said nothing and in fact gave me some dirty looks.

I have been boating for twenty years and have hung out at many campfires with many different types of people and have never had shit like this happen to me before. I have always felt safe and at home around other boaters. With these guys I felt unsafe and uncomfortable. I'm happy nothing worse happened and I just wanted other folks on the buzz to know what this crew is like and what to expect if you are around them.

Have a great season,
Glen Egbert
 

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What a bunch of ass-wipes. Kayaking and firearms dont mix. Mushrooms, Booze and guns should never be in the same mix. Those guys will get worked over on the river or in a campground with behavior like that.
 

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So sad to hear this. A couple of months ago we were hearing about boaters tearing down gates and now this.

The community is growing. More people means more exposure to people who give off a positive or negative vibe. Its just a shame that this came from two professional paddlers who should be ambassadors for the sport. I am sure that they will hear about this and hopefully they will offer thier apologies or atleast their version of the story.

There is hope... Anybody remember how much controversy Corran would create for himself. He seems to have mellowed out a little.

Grace and peace,
ben
 

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That guns and booze/drugs don't mix is obvious.

How kayaking and guns don't mix is beyond me.

A significant number of boaters keep a little something in the shuttle vehicle - this isn't Massachusetts, you know. There was a thread on it in the last couple of years, and you'd be surprised how many Buzzards pack heat in the car.

Sorry you guys had such a rotten experience. No call for that in any community, but especially the whitewater one.
 

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As a gunni paddler and friends of most of the people thats names have been used, i defently think that it is sounds like they got a little out of hand but were strait forward with you. I think that it was irresponsible of those guys but i think that it is even worse that someone would bitch and complain about the situation and be such a pansy about it that they would post names on the buzz because you and your dog were uncomfortable.
 

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As a gunni paddler and friends of most of the people thats names have been used, i defently think that it is sounds like they got a little out of hand but were strait forward with you. I think that it was irresponsible of those guys but i think that it is even worse that someone would bitch and complain about the situation and be such a pansy about it that they would post names on the buzz because you and your dog were uncomfortable.
after reading your post, i can see why you are friends with those assholes.
 

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As a gunni paddler and friends of most of the people thats names have been used, i defently think that it is sounds like they got a little out of hand but were strait forward with you. I think that it was irresponsible of those guys but i think that it is even worse that someone would bitch and complain about the situation and be such a pansy about it that they would post names on the buzz because you and your dog were uncomfortable.
Are you kidding me? I'd post their names up here as well.
 

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that totally sucks and you have every right to be pissed its not their private land so they have to respect the rights of others. I think it was cool of you to go and ask them to stop rather than going the other route and calling the cops. hopefully these guys will man-up and appoligize to you personally. i totally agree guns and alcohol/drugs don't mix. hopefully next time you will have a better experience.
peace -Tom
 

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I wasn't there so I'm not going to comment on someone's specific behavior, but from a general perspective- Escalante is probably not a great place to take firearms or drugs. Last year I saw a couple of boaters get their camp searched and one guy got taken to Delta for possession of marijuana. The Sheriff's deputy came out there both nights, as late as 11:30 or so. They revisited the arrested boater's camp and brighted our tents pretty good as well. Not exactly the most friendly deputy either.

Shrooms would be a felony, and I'm not sure if there would be penalties for firing weapons at BLM campgrounds. Maybe nothing- it is Delta County, after all. But that's trouble we (boaters) don't need. Just keep in mind that the last thing we need is the creek to get shut down to boaters because we can't seem to behave ourselves.
 

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hey so i just want to let you all know that we may be some appologetic to glen, and i will appologize being one of the individuals there. but his story was quite off from what was really happening. some people may think guns and alcohol dont mix. rightfully no. but we were responsible. i have grown up around guns and shot them for years safely. the shooter was placed out front and firering in a safe direction. there was some shit talking. but we were all well asleep by 2 as i went to bed around 1. some itmes you just cant get so but hurt about shit like that.
 

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hey so i just want to let you all know that we may be some appologetic to glen, and i will appologize being one of the individuals there. but his story was quite off from what was really happening. some people may think guns and alcohol dont mix. rightfully no. but we were responsible. i have grown up around guns and shot them for years safely. the shooter was placed out front and firering in a safe direction. there was some shit talking. but we were all well asleep by 2 as i went to bed around 1. some itmes you just cant get so but hurt about shit like that.

yeah,ok, try the whole typing thing again when you put down glen's tequila.
 

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No, you weren't responsible. You were reckless. And you weren't shooting safely, you were drinking and were therefore shooting recklessly. Period, end of story.
 

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Straight up punk asses.

I am not one to point fingers at anyone partying late when camping... If you aren't into it, wear earplugs. But shooting guns in the dark when blitz'd enough to think that stealing things and f'n around with a mans tent/property are cool is flat out punk ass and lame.

2 sides to this story? Not if you stole, or even being dicks enough to keep shooting a gun when someone comes by concerned and has the balls to talk to a bunch of boys after they have been shooting a gun and drinking.

Lame
 

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all i have to say to say is that deal with the shit u were delt with.... u front range fag........guns and that kinda shit are the norm...so y dont u take ur mail order bride back home and deal with the west bitch... bc were here to stay.... WEST SIDE...o and any one ony i 70 ur just as bad
 

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Wow,Brahs with guns. Thats sooo hot right now. I bet these turds get all the girls wet when they fire those. Personally,I could care less if it was Tao or Seth shootin em off,annoying is annoying. Shut the fuck up and go do your highschool shit at the bookcliffs or somethin.

Laaame.
 
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