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So I'm venturing into the area of River Kayaking out in Colorado (Class 2/3). Me 5'8", bigger guy 230 lbs. I didn't want to spend a lot of money at first. I was looking at a Sea Eagle 300x or 380x. I ended up finding someone locally who was selling a Dave Scadden Stingray (250? Single Person) cheap $300. Worked great on a lake.

Tried it on a few river floats with friends and found a few things:
  • Built-in D-Ring Seat position is too far back. I used the boat backwards last time, so I could position the seat more centered. I may put on new D-Ring Patches so I can center the seat and run it forwards.
  • The black covers over the front and back, make it hard for me to get my legs in/out. I have some nerve damage in one leg and am a little weak. Wondering if I can cut the black vinyl to make it shorter?
  • Non-self bailing can be a bummer. My friends all have SB. I ended up having to stop after most rapids and turn the boat over? Can I make this boat self-bailing by cutting some holes in the bow/stern and/or sides? It has a drop-stitch floor?
The main question I have is about self-bailing. I saw on these boards that some people have attempted converting a boat, and it hasn't really been worth it. I guess what about a boat that already has a drop stitch floor and isn't worth that much? Not much to lose.


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Maybe I should just get rid of it next season and get something different? Maybe something a little bigger also? and sell this one or give it to my son.

Get an Attwood Waterbuster?
 

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Dave scadden and his boats suck ass….move on to greener pastures.
I'm not Dave Scadden though. Don't come down on me :) This is my first boat, just trying to see if I like the sport.

I guess I'll live with it for a bit longer as-is, and then see if I can afford something better if I decide to keep going. Just trying to see if there is anything I can do in the meantime. I don't really care if I wreck it.
 

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Scadden boats are tooted as being light weight because they use super thin fabric to make them. If you hit something like a rock, you are very likely to put a hole in it. Keep some tear aid with you if you plan to float it down a river. That said...you can always try making it into a self bailer by putting some holes in it. You would put them between the tubes and the floor, but there might not be enough flotation in the boat alone to keep it from filling up with water due to your weight. Part of the flotation comes from it being a bail bucket boat. You can reclose the holes by gluing an old dry bag over the holes if it doesn't float you.

RMR makes a nice inexpensive ducky. I personally bought an Aire Tomcat and love it.

That Scadden would make a good loaner boat. One time and the person you loan it to won't ask to borrow a boat from you again. 😁
 

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RMR makes a nice inexpensive ducky. I personally bought an Aire Tomcat and love it.
I'll check that out. I think there is a dealer in Glenwood Springs, CO, near where I live.

I found a guy selling a new unused Aire Outfitter normally $1899 for $1450. Seems pricey but maybe it's worth it?
 

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That Outfitter sounds a little pricey to me. There is an older Riken duckie for $350 for sale on the Rafts classified section here that is in Salida that would be a good upgrade potentially for your situation. It needs a patch it sounds like which is not a big deal but it has also been for sale for a few weeks so the price may be negotiable to some extent.
 

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Honestly, for the modificaitons you want I'd call Dave and ask him. He is very helpful (when you get ahold of him) and will talk your ear off. If you can modify your curent boat then you don't have to spend money on something else, so why not call and chat first.

Quality wise, I've found the his stuff to be solid and the primary complaints have been his lack of responsiveness because people compare a one man shop to the likes of NRS support, I guess.

I've been extremely happy with my Scadden raft, as have dozens of people I know between online personas and in real life. I've also scrapped over plenty of rocks and the raft shows no wear.
 

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I'll check that out. I think there is a dealer in Glenwood Springs, CO, near where I live.

I found a guy selling a new unused Aire Outfitter normally $1899 for $1450. Seems pricey but maybe it's worth it?
If you’re trying to get into rivers. it this is what I would recommend..If at a later date you want something better you’ll have a loaner/backup boat or you can sell it to invest into the next boat.


Scadden boats are tooted as being light weight because they use super thin fabric to make them. If you hit something like a rock, you are very likely to put a hole in it. Keep some tear aid with you if you plan to float it down a river. That said...you can always try making it into a self bailer by putting some holes in it. You would put them between the tubes and the floor, but there might not be enough flotation in the boat alone to keep it from filling up with water due to your weight. Part of the flotation comes from it being a bail bucket boat. You can reclose the holes by gluing an old dry bag over the holes if it doesn't float you.

RMR makes a nice inexpensive ducky. I personally bought an Aire Tomcat and love it.

That Scadden would make a good loaner boat. One time and the person you loan it to won't ask to borrow a boat from you again. 😁
Couldn’t imagine it would be lighter material than these boats yet people still use them on the river 🤦🏻‍♂️
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Funny... I was looking at things for the Scadden boat. Found this chinese boat that looks really similar: SHISHENG kayak 008

Guess it's not proprietary :)
More likely you found Dave Scadden's supplier.

Here is the Scadden web page for 'fishing boats' Fishing Craft | davescaddensports
Here is the SHISHENG page for fishing boats Fishing Boat

While on the Scadden warranty page I saw this..
PLEASE NOTE: Extended exposure to temperatures over 95 degrees Fahrenheit, outside elements or improper storage may void this warranty. Better not use them on the San Juan, or Deso, or Ruby, or Rio Chama or any other desert trip.
 

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Ok. I went to the store near me that had the rmr kayaks. They were 10% off and 10% off accessories. So I bought the Taylor. Pretty excited about trying it.

I was assuming the Thwart seat wouldn't give me as much back support as my Skwoosh high back seat, but the Thwart seems to be pretty solid. Seems like the Thwart may add some stability to the boat. Should I try the thwart or maybe I'm just kidding myself on dry land?

Assuming this boat is better, letting friends and kids use the Scadden.
 

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Ok. I went to the store near me that had the rmr kayaks. They were 10% off and 10% off accessories. So I bought the Taylor. Pretty excited about trying it.

I was assuming the Thwart seat wouldn't give me as much back support as my Skwoosh high back seat, but the Thwart seems to be pretty solid. Seems like the Thwart may add some stability to the boat. Should I try the thwart or maybe I'm just kidding myself on dry land?

Assuming this boat is better, letting friends and kids use the Scadden.
Thwart should be more than enough. If you want more support get yourself some thigh straps.
 
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