Mountain Buzz banner

1 - 13 of 13 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
442 Posts
Discussion Starter #1
When two people drown on the numbers on a private trip its all over the news, how you gotta go with a professional guide who knows the river and its dangers for example local news that says go with my friend "experienced guide" who guides Browns and The Numbers and his fellow trainees who have have seen the river about 9 nine times in training and are from Vermont or Missouri or wherever and are just passing a college summer here, barely 18, and from talking with them don't know shit about running a river but when a commercial drowning occurs in Pinball the very next day after the news says go with a company you don't hear anything about the commercial accident. Its sad that American Culture and the tourism industry has affected rafting I wish Edward Abbey was around to set the media straight and comment on this real phenomena.
 

·
I kayak DH.
Joined
·
794 Posts
The only way to be safe on a river is with some kid from Missouri that just got a job as a guide, EVERYBODY knows that. I can't believe you would have the audacity to claim that our media has anything but the truth in mind when they give us their spin... er, I mean, the news?

Shame on you.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
442 Posts
Discussion Starter #3
The only way to be safe on a river is with some kid from Missouri that just got a job as a guide, EVERYBODY knows that. I can't believe you would have the audacity to claim that our media has anything but the truth in mind when they give us their spin... er, I mean, the news?

Shame on you.
You must be from Missouri - I'm Sorry how can you be safe with a guide/ kid that was trained to run the same section of river over and over in a week and I'm sorry you believe the news er our media tells the truth ya you take your family down the Numbers at high water with a rookie from the Midwest I'll read about you; if its a private trip everybody knows that. Er you forgot to mow your lawn... where you from.
 

·
I kayak DH.
Joined
·
794 Posts
It's called SARCASM, nicho, look it up
what's that?

sar- what?

in other words, I was 150% agreeing with you.

the mowing the lawn thing is a signature, does not speciffically apply to this particular post.

man, one day I get called a shill, the next I get accused of being from Missouri. Fukin A, I'm going somewhere else...
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
442 Posts
Discussion Starter #7
what's that?

sar- what?

in other words, I was 150% agreeing with you.

the mowing the lawn thing is a signature, does not speciffically apply to this particular post.

man, one day I get called a shill, the next I get accused of being from Missouri. Fukin A, I'm going somewhere else...
Right on
 

·
I kayak DH.
Joined
·
794 Posts
It's the buzz bro, don't expect people to come out & say they agree... what you'll get is some smartass response that makes little sense & you're supposed to decipher that & understand the original intent of the person posting.

Plus, it's frickin 1 in the morning, don't expect people to intelligently respond this late, geez! (I'm going to bed)
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
442 Posts
Discussion Starter #9
It's the buzz bro, don't expect people to come out & say they agree... what you'll get is some smartass response that makes little sense & you're supposed to decipher that & understand the original intent of the person posting.

Plus, it's frickin 1 in the morning, don't expect people to intelligently respond this late, geez! (I'm going to bed)
ya me too I got a river to run tomorrow
 

·
GoBro
Joined
·
1,493 Posts
One incident was a result of poor river running and poor recovery (and a rediculous decision to put on). Another is poor river running with excelent recovery and then inexplicable heart failure AFTER the victim was out of the water.

I'm not going to jump up and down about whether or not it's appropriate to report about heart failure. I do think it's inappropriate to start pointing the finger at guides who made a solid rescue while the man was still conscience.

I've guided before, but I am in no way affliated with the company or individuals involved.

Vibes to the family and those involved.
 

·
Tim Kennedy
Joined
·
119 Posts
Nicho,

Okay, I've been trying to stay out of all of this. But this time, I'll bite.

Please elaborate for me. Where is the "conspiracy" in your theory (one long run-on sentence)?

Also, please be respectful in your response. Lives have been lost. Friends, loved ones, and all involved in both incidents have been affected. Remember, this is a very public forum.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
90 Posts
you take your family down the Numbers at high water with a rookie from the Midwest I'll read about you; if its a private trip everybody knows that.

Way to make assumptions. First off, most training classes do teach a fair bit of river running skill, I would say most guides learn more in two to three weeks of training than most private boaters learn in their first two years(Again, I am saying most). Secondly, No rookie is guiding on the numbers, you need I believe 1200 miles of guiding to even be checked out up there, that's second year minimum.

River running is dangerous, period.... for sure its one of the most dangerous things someone with zero knowledge can pay to do.
 

·
I kayak DH.
Joined
·
794 Posts
Nicho,

Okay, I've been trying to stay out of all of this. But this time, I'll bite.

Please elaborate for me. Where is the "conspiracy" in your theory (one long run-on sentence)?

Also, please be respectful in your response. Lives have been lost. Friends, loved ones, and all involved in both incidents have been affected. Remember, this is a very public forum.
Hey Tim, I think all he was saying originally (maybe not so eloquently, it was late mind you) is that the media focused on the private rafters & how they were dangerous because they were unguided users, but gave nearly no mention of the commercial issues. As glenn mentioned it wasn't exactly apples to apples.
I have noticed this before, and as a mostly private boater it irks me as well to an extent. I doubt you need to be reminded, not all crews out there are on the level that you guys are & I am consistently reminded of the toolbagged-ness of SOME of the raft companies & their employees and a lack of respect from them to others on the river each time I'm on a commercial stretch. This makes it difficult for me to agree with the Idea portrayed in the media, that the only way to go safely is with a guided trip.

As I hope YOU know, I don't feel that way about all the companies, but you can still give me a bitch slap in a few weeks when I see you at work, it's right around the corner! :grin:
 
1 - 13 of 13 Posts
Top