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I'm stuck somewhere between gore and Shoshone and was wondering if any class IV stuff was running? Gore is to big and Shoshone gets old after 3 times a day per weekend. Any suggestions would be great.
 

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Apple Sauce can be walked. Gore has a class IV+ sneak and can be walked. Scissors and Pyrite are awesome class IV+ rapids, and can be walked. Tunnel can be walked. Toilet bowl has a class IV sneak. Kirshbaum is V-, and just pure awesome, I think it can be walked.

You can have a class IV day in Gore, and it will make you a better boater.
 

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Agree wholeheartedly with smauk2.

You can walk a bunch of stuff in there and a much better adventure than Shoshone. Although the walk at Kirschbaum's would suck. Seems like swims in there end in pinned boats and bruised egos for sure, but on the easy end of a Class V rapid.

Just go in with some people that you trust and have fun.
 

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Might as well not go if your gonna walk everything.

Don't sandbag the sneak. . . I've seen it be the source of many beatdowns ending in pins down the right mank channel.

Your right about Kbomb. Love that rapid. Lines up so nice!!

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Apple Sauce can be walked. Gore has a class IV+ sneak and can be walked. Scissors and Pyrite are awesome class IV+ rapids, and can be walked. Tunnel can be walked. Toilet bowl has a class IV sneak. Kirshbaum is V-, and just pure awesome, I think it can be walked.

You can have a class IV day in Gore, and it will make you a better boater.
 

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dont bother with Gore..may as well not go if you walk it all. Frying pan river at Basalt is running...good tech Class IV-..
 

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May not be what yer looking for, but #4 thru #7 on the Ark goes nicely at current flows of 175ish. Good technical lines can lead to a fluid run. I'd call a lot of it 4- without any push. The slot/drop at 5 is manky and you want to be hard left for the first part of 6. Someone who knows the lines helps... I paddle it 2 or 3 times a week, let me know if you want.

I'm willing to take boat assisted hikes but that much walking in Gore seems like the accent goes on hike too much to be worth it.
 

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Gore is beautiful. It's mostly flat water with good wildlife viewing. It's easy to turn it into a class four run. Applesause has a pool above and below. It's easy to look at Gore, Sissors, and Pyrite. Tunnel has changed for the flusher, It has not held anybody all fall. Toilet bowl can be scouted and portaged. Kirshbaum has a fishermans trail to scout or portage. If you love the outdoors and have no complaints about shouldering your boat for short technical walks; You will have a fun class 4 day with the oppertunity to step it up, or you can decide for yourself to not go back.
 

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If you haven't run numbers at low water, I'd give that a go next. Then give it a try in your playboat. If that feels good, I'd do Barrel next. It's easy to escape or walk any part of it, so it's easier on your stress levels. If you ace Barrel then I would head to Gore promptly. This was my progession and I thought it was fun, low stress and still rapid improvement.

I would agree with all Gore comments, if you are willing to walk alot then head on over.
 

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the dude said not gore and you people are telling him to go for it. if you are looking for 4 i wouldnt go to gore. plain and simple. i would give gore class 5 consequences if you fuck up you could flush as we almost say last year, plus the new ropes in the river. everybody needs to screw there heads down and realize we just had the worst year of years and its time to get smart.. enoughs enough. if you are going to walk most rapids you shouldnt be there. thats a horrible way to go into a canyon. instead of walking however many rapids think of how many more eddies, ferries, peel outs and attainments you could work on a a sweet class3.. dont listen to some of these buzzards for whom they just started running class 5 as well..
 

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Phil and I and some other takers were on there every month but December. However, if you are at all sketchy about running it be sure to get in there and know the lines perfect before ice shelves form. A swim in winter conditions with 1' thick, 10' wide ice shelves in every eddy and along the banks is a great way to drown.

Also, a guide is nice for your first run. My first ELF run was with Phil U. in January and I was very glad he was leading and that he had extensively scouted before we put on. It's about class III+ right now, with #4 and #5 needing a fairly specific line which can mess up the class III paddler. It's a small step up from Shoshone, but a good one.

I hate to say it, but I agree with CasperMike. Going straight from Shoshone to Gore is a bad idea. Maybe you can walk everything, but you will be tweaked out of your mind. I'd say it's a recipe for regression.
 

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For sure on the Numbers. I ran Dumont and Lawson on CC a few times before the Numbers. For some reason the low pre-run scoutability had me much more nervous than CC. A great run at low flows and very boatable. As a mediocre IV boater at best, I would say Numbers at low flows may be one of the best "step-up" runs out there.
 

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I was just going to respond with, 'yer screwed', but look at all these helpful comments. The other factor is runs are getting cold right now which make things like pushing it on Gore less inviting. Then again, we ran into a crew the other day putting on for Gore who were planning on learning to roll on the paddle in so they'd be ready by the time they got into the canyon. Not sure how that trip went.

I ran Shoshone with some local a few years back while on my way to a Westwater trip. This guy had like 100 moves that he made down the like 1 mi run. I never had so much fun on Shoshone in my life trying to follow all his moves. But I can still see how the same run would get tiresome. Best bet is to wait for spring, but baring that option, I agree with driving over for some low water Pine Creek/Numbers and make a game of it as if you were playing HORSE on the school basketball court. The Royal Gorge can be run awfully low too but is a farther drive.

Side note- class IV means different things to different people. I feel like Gore is a class IV run punctuated by 2 or 3 soft class Vs. Some people consider class IV lots of class III punctuated by 1 or 2 class IVs. I know when I first thought I was a class IV boater, when I ran something that actually was pretty continuous class IV for the entire run, I got handed.
 

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Huh, who would have thought that Casper Mike would become the voice of reason on the buzz!!! Ha! Good post Mike!
 

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Clear Creek Narrows?

How about the Clear Creek Narrows? We ran Black Rocks at 140ish a couple weeks ago. It was my first time ever and it was bony, but fun, way more fun then the Golden playpark. We looked at the Narrows, but we did not have the time and the hike down and hike out looked not so fun, steep scree.

I read that some of you paddle the Narrows down to 90cfs, I wouldn't think black rocks section would be good that low, as it was a bumpfest at 140ish?

So three questions:

Where do you put in for a low water narrows run, at the big pull out above that scree and back up or on the other side of the tunnel?

Not having a chance to look at the narrrows closely, is it harder then Black Rocks at elf? I don't think I like Rigomortis at any level, but Black rocks seemed fun at elf.

How low do people run both Black Rocks through the narrows?
 

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CC Narrows: For the record, I say it's too low and you're better off doing flatwater tricks in the playpark, but I think some fool convinced me to do it not much off of 100 cfs a while back. There were 3 boofs as I recall. I'm sure it's better than BR rapid, so if you liked that, then I guess you should go for it. Good sloper boof practice at Mr. Bill I guess.

Walk down the scree slope just east of the Tunnel. Make your 3 boofs (<60secs). Walk up the sketchy scree slope (take care or you'll end up like Dan O.) Walk back upstream along the sketchy highway and repeat. I think the walk back up to the road is a little better if you go downstream near where the trees are on river right, but it ain't a glamorous route any way you look at it.
 
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