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Wow, that didn't go the way I thought it would!

So do I have it right, that you folks think that rivers (class III, that is what that rapid is) are too dangerous for a responsible person (who actually cares about his dog) to take his dog down?

I just think it is an interesting conversation. I know we lover our dogs as members of our families, but that doesn't mean this has to turn into an angry, insulting discussion even though it has already started to turn that way.
 

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Ob1coby. I'm not being judgmental nor am I some animal rights Nazi, but this is what I see.

The dog (who has no way to grip the back of a cat) has absolutely no chance of staying on the boat in that wave. The friggin boat is at a 45 degree angle!

The Owner made a great save but it was lucky and 99 times out of 100 there would have been a much longer swim for the pooch Don't know what was downstream so that could have been no problem or a big one.

I think what people are saying is its not a great idea to put clueless creatures like dogs and kids in a situation where there is a high likelihood they are going to swim - no matter what the class of rapid it is. They don't have the ability to make that decision themselves. I take dogs down fishing floats all the time on my cat but for what its worth that looked pretty sketchy to me . Fun pics though!
 

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Might as well just throw the dog into a rapid, given how ill-suited that cat rig is to carrying a dog. I take my Lab, but she has a webbed floor to lay on/hunker down- she and I much prefer the floor of the raft, so that's the boat we use when she is coming along.

It's not the end of the world- just seemed inevitable that the dog was gonna have a rough day on that boat on that run.

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My dog rides on the gear pile on my raft. He can get a good grip and never falls out of the boat. We did the Main Salmon this year and my dog loved every minute especial the larger water. For some reason he loves to snap at the spray. In calm water he just goes to sleep.
 

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Mike is such a good photographer! His business is built from the ground up and I cant say enough good things about this guy. He is out with that camera dawn to dusk every day. That being said you are a retard! My wife (before we were married) lost her dog in much easier than class III water and he was wearing a life vest. The hydraulics below tumbleweed are no joke. I have seen raft clients get a solid few seconds of down time at those flows and a dog has no idea how to handle that. Have fun for now bud. I really mean that! I just hope you don't look back one day at a very easily avoidable accident and kick yourself every time you think about the day you drowned your dog. I swim my dogs in the Bitterroot daily and I would never consider taking them down the Gorge whether it be 3,000 or 30,000.
Sincerely, Charlie in Corvallis 370-8365
 

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We all take a chance every time we go on the water. I can't deny that I am placing my dog at risk but isn't that true for our children and wives. I believe the joy of being on the water is worth the risk and my dog agrees.
 

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We all take a chance every time we go on the water. I can't deny that I am placing my dog at risk but isn't that true for our children and wives. I believe the joy of being on the water is worth the risk and my dog agrees.
Sure bud. The comprehension of your children and wives (are you mormon?) are the same as your dog? Either you married a dumb broad or your dog is above average.
 

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So it's about comprehension? Do you comprehend you just made a huge slur to Mormons? My dog is above average.
 

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My point was that your wife and child comprehend that they are leaving the land and that there is risk involved. Your dog does not. I love going to the river with my dogs, just not to a spot with deep hydraulics. I don't think extreme breath holding and underwater 360's were in your dogs to do list when they left the house this morning.
 

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Might as well just throw the dog into a rapid, given how ill-suited that cat rig is to carrying a dog. I take my Lab, but she has a webbed floor to lay on/hunker down- she and I much prefer the floor of the raft, so that's the boat we use when she is coming along.

It's not the end of the world- just seemed inevitable that the dog was gonna have a rough day on that boat on that run.

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Pretty much my thoughts after looking at the pictures. We take a dog on every river she's allowed on, and yes, she has had a few swims. There's no 100% guarantee she'll stay in the raft. Raft......with a floor, flat spot on the gear pile, side walkways. Not a play cat with no safe place for the dog to be.
 

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Sometimes these posts are really dumb!
Comparing the dog to your wife & kids? Ok, I see they are part of the family...but a dog is a dog AND news flash - they don't look for the high wave to coordinate breaths in big water or hold breaths in Maytag debauchery.
Dogs don't belong on play cats in Class III-IV water. Maybe a stern passenger? Dogs belong on gear boats, hunkered down in inflatable floors thru sizable holes, or on fishing setups.
Why does Whitewater (and this forum at times) come with some much poor common sense Let's not even get started about the Paddleboarders without helmets or support that are enjoying swimming the whole Pumphouse run over 2750 cfs...

"I think what people are saying is its not a great idea to put clueless creatures like dogs and kids in a situation where there is a high likelihood they are going to swim - no matter what the class of rapid it is. They don't have the ability to make that decision themselves. I take dogs down fishing floats all the time on my cat but for what its worth that looked pretty sketchy to me" by jgrebe

I couldn't agree with this point more, especially when there is so much variety of water available for the WHOLE family in the Western US.

"It's not the end of the world" by cataraft girl?
Really? Your buddy? Your dog?
Maybe we should make you some paw gloves and throw you in for a test!?

All it takes is once. Your dog, your kid, YOU.
There is a time and place for everyone on the river.
 

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Sometimes these posts are really dumb!
Comparing the dog to your wife & kids? Ok, I see they are part of the family...but a dog is a dog AND news flash - they don't look for the high wave to coordinate breaths in big water or hold breaths in Maytag debauchery.
Dogs don't belong on play cats in Class III-IV water. Maybe a stern passenger? Dogs belong on gear boats, hunkered down in inflatable floors thru sizable holes, or on fishing setups.
Why does Whitewater (and this forum at times) come with some much poor common sense Let's not even get started about the Paddleboarders without helmets or support that are enjoying swimming the whole Pumphouse run over 2750 cfs...

"I think what people are saying is its not a great idea to put clueless creatures like dogs and kids in a situation where there is a high likelihood they are going to swim - no matter what the class of rapid it is. They don't have the ability to make that decision themselves. I take dogs down fishing floats all the time on my cat but for what its worth that looked pretty sketchy to me" by jgrebe

I couldn't agree with this point more, especially when there is so much variety of water available for the WHOLE family in the Western US.

"It's not the end of the world" by cataraft girl?
Really? Your buddy? Your dog?
Maybe we should make you some paw gloves and throw you in for a test!?

All it takes is once. Your dog, your kid, YOU.
There is a time and place for everyone on the river.
That was not my quote! I agree that the dog should not have been on the cataraft.
 

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This is an easy one...

Wow, that didn't go the way I thought it would!

So do I have it right, that you folks think that rivers (class III, that is what that rapid is) are too dangerous for a responsible person (who actually cares about his dog) to take his dog down?

I just think it is an interesting conversation. I know we lover our dogs as members of our families, but that doesn't mean this has to turn into an angry, insulting discussion even though it has already started to turn that way.
Yes. If you take the dog on class III water provide a pfd.
 

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My point was that your wife and child comprehend that they are leaving the land and that there is risk involved. Your dog does not. I love going to the river with my dogs, just not to a spot with deep hydraulics. I don't think extreme breath holding and underwater 360's were in your dogs to do list when they left the house this morning.
and his point was that you just insulted Mormons. And ignorantly I might add since Mormons don't practice polygamy. But don't worry it's only the Muslims Hindus Buddhists and others that we can't slur, Mormons and other Christians are fair game, I would just hate for you to do it inaccurately.
 

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Well so much for a respectful objective discussion without insult. Since I've joined the buzz, I have really been amazed at how poor rafters can be towards each other. I simply didn't expect that in this crowd, I'm not sure why. Charlie above even left his phone number, I guess that was just in case I wanted to fight.

The guy in the picture is not me by the way. I just saw the pictures as I was going through the photos of the day, so Charlie, you can stop sticking out your chest now if you want.

I haven't had a dog for several years now. if I told you she had been killed by a rattlesnake bite, would you say I killed her, or just threw her in front of the rattlesnake since I took her hiking with me all the time?

my best friend has a dog that has gone for swims in some very nasty Rapids. And to this day if we hook up the raft, I dare you to pull out of the driveway without her. if you could see how excited she gets when we go rafting, you would know that it would be even more cruel to leave her in the yard.

I do like the part of this discussion that has suggested a more suitable platform. Even if you don't know what the river is like, that always seems like a good idea.
 
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