First, it takes a lot of work and organizing to get a President to designate a Monument so I can honestly say congratulations to those years of hard work. It sounds like a lifetime of commitment for some folks.In my opinion, there is too much uncertainty to wholeheartedly agree that this is (was) a good idea.
The economic benefit will be huge for Chaffee county. More people coming to the monument means more money being poured in to gas stations, restaurants, liquor stores, hotels, bars etc. The rafting companies will really stand to do a lot more business. I don't think they actually met the monument will bring money itself but the secondary benefit of having people see the monument will bring more cash into the local economy.
That's only my opinion.
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I obviously agree with this philosophy of discussion. While I constructively criticize the process I in no way endorse the vitriolic remarks by some on the opposition side. Calling this a "land grab" is ridiculous and inaccurate and some of the comments about Obama are beyond despicable (a 7 year trend). Luckily this is one of the few places I am active and no longer see the worst of internet and political behavior.I think discussions without people getting out of line is healthy and it allows people to get other point of views.
I just read that the designation for the monument is similar to the proposal that udall had. We will see how it all works. Chaffee County is a huge agricultural area with cattle and such. I just hope that grazing and water rights will be grandfathered in and cannot be taken out after a set amount of time.
One thing that this does show that you can get things done, they just might take 20 years or so to do it.
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This seems to be one of the biggest misconceptions about the new monument. The river itself is not included. In fact there is a 50' easement for the railroad before the monument boundary starts. The river, its access points, and riverside campsites will all remain under the jurisdiction of Colorado Parks and Wildlife/Arkansas Headwaters Recreation Area. The management plan that has been in place since the state park was established will still regulate river travel. If there are any changes to river regulations it will be a public process including a scoping period.My question is: How is this going to effect river access, permits, fees, flows, etc.? Will the state of Colorado still have jurisdiction over the waterway itself? Federalization of public lands isn't always a good thing. I believe we could possibly see higher user fees, more restrictions on the number of boaters, especially privates, and no camping or picnicking on river-left, which is within the designated wilderness area.
And lets not forget that the Feds can shut things down on a political whim as they did in the fall of 2013. Here in the Ozarks, the Current, Jacks Fork, and Buffalo National Riverways were closed to boating & camping for two weeks for no good reason.
I would have to have more info before I decided whether this is a good or bad thing for boaters. :?
There is a road the whole length of that section of river......that could be used for accessing the canyon for hiking and fishing. You just need to remove the metal and timbers that take up the middle of the road. :mrgreen:and what is this "monument" you speak of? It's a canyon with no access other than the river?