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I was wondering what to expect from Browns at 2500? The highest I did it was a couple weeks ago at 1050. I stayed flat plastic side down for all of it from the 2nd campground to Stone bridge except for the first rapid after Hecla (I thought I was having a good enough day to take the hole straight, I wasn't). Does everything just get bigger, or does some stuff get nasty? Thanks for any info.
 

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I ran Browns last year at 2400 and 3400. As expected the currents are more powerful and pushier, but I found that the level of difficulty didn't increase radically. It does become very continuous, so if you swim it could take a long while to get a boat out.

Toilet Bowl is washed out and Zoom is somewaht washed out (just avoid pyramid rock, which is now a pourover). The Stair Steps start to merge and there is not a pool between every step. The waves in the Steps are big and fun. Raft Ripper (which is nothing at low water ) builds in difficulty. There are a couple holes that really dhould be avoided in Widow Make and Raft Ripper.

If you felt confident and collected at 1050, I think you would be o.k. at 2500. Consider running down to Stone Bridge since the run goes that much quicker at high water. Just be sure and scout Seidles Suckhole (which can be portaged). Scout and Portage on river right.
 

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obviously not a solo mission for you right?
 

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I was just on Brown's a couple days ago near 2000 and did it near peak last year about 3500ish. Also done it at a about 1000 couple years ago. There is not much difference in difficulty between any of the flows. The water just moves fast so you need to be quicker with your moves.

You can probably even go over the rock at the bottom of zoom now and be golden. Seidels has a sneak down the far left side.

The Steps are great hit them all head on big waves with no holes to keep you that you don't see on the other side.

Have Fun!
 

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Just ran Brown's to Hecla on Sunday at 2036cfs.

Big Drop hole is a rubber stopper for sure...you can sneak it river right but the left line is more fun...just square up to with some momentum it and call it good!

Pinball is pretty washed out and not as technical as it is at 1000.

Lots of the sleeper rocks at the 1000 level are covered making the run much less techincal technically speaking.

Stair Stepper waves as Kentm mentioned are bigger and more fun...just square up to 'em and your good.

Raft Ripper is a munchy hole worth avoiding by sneaking left.

Scout Seidel's for sure...

Have fun!

See ya on the watah!
 

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Browns loses a lot of its technical nature at higher water. Most of the sleepers and guardian rocks disappear and there are less moves to make. The water becomes noticeably pushier.

Don't hit the pour over in Zoom that was crusher or pyramid rock a week ago. I've seen many rafts flipped by that. You can run right over the rock at Toilet Bowl and avoid that S turn move. Definitely float it to stone bridge to get a look at Siedel's and Twin Falls. Siedel’s is always a good scout. If you swim there it’s just a big eddy at the bottom. It's a quick trip when the water is kickin’ like that. Maybe we'll see you down there this weekend!

Make good decisions and be safe. There was a fatality on the Colorado in Cataract Canyon yesterday. High water is fun, but also dangerous for sure. Condolences to his friends and family. He was from Colorado
 

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Swims will be longer
 

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Beware - Seidels Suckhole

For any of you considering a rafting trip, you'd better be experienced and a strong swimmer if your guide plans to take you over Seidel's Suckhole on the Arkansas River, in Brown's Canyon. My wife and I took this yesterday with Blazing Adventures out of Aspen. It was just my wife and myself and the guide. This rapid was the last one at the end of the day, and as we began to approach it, the guide began talking about how it spills everyone over. We had a bad feeling about it, but she tried to tackle it anyway. The rapid ate us up, the raft went airborne and flipped over, and we were all thrown into the river. My wife and the guide found a calmer spot to get to the bank, but I was carried downriver for over a mile, they tell me, through the next set of rapids. I nearly drowned, and my tailbone and shin took quite a few hits from underwater rocks. So - if you're a wild mountain type and you're a strong swimmer, go for it. If you're a tourist out for some scenery and some fun, avoid any trip that includes Seidel's Suckhole. There have been several fatalities here and I was nearly another. The rafting company didn't warn us, at all, that this is a class IV rapid, nor that we would probably spill over, until we approached it, and by then it was too late to decide not to do it.
 

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Sorry for your misfortune - it my experience a lot of commercial groups stop at the scout at least they did last year at 3-4,000 when I ran it last in a kayak.

The advantage to kayakers at these flows is a nice line on the river left side that only has 1 moderate lateral to punch and you can avoid the hole.
 

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We ran Browns Sunday the 21st, flow was listed as 2480, we R4'ed our 14'er and had no close calls - no crappy lines even.

This was our first paddle trip down Browns, granted we had capable paddlers (one who had only done commercial rafting previously) but we cleaned it.

We didn't even realize we ran toilet bowl, widowmaker etc. until we were at Hecla wondering how we got out of the canyon so quick.

We too ran Seidels, started river left and paddled hard to ferry right, I sat on the front left and remember a huge white wall hitting me and ducking into the boat. We came out blue side up and all grinning. We did not scout and only 2 of our paddlers had seen the rapid at about 1000cfs - it was easily viewed from the raft above the rapid.

We ran twin falls backwards on purpose, man those waves are huge when you can't see where you're going.
 

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almostlostit,
the first mistake you made was rafting with Blazing. siedel's suckhole at this level is easily avoidable (river left sneak) with a competent guide. next year try aspen whitewater rafting if you are in the area. glad to hear your ok though. hopefully this experience hasn't scared you away from the river.
 

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"almostlostit" if you're unable to self rescue in the large pool after siedels then you have no business rafting. the pool is large and flacid. i guided brown's for a summer and flipped numerous times in siedels and never had someone have an experience similar to yours. basic self preservation is key to a long life and enjoyment of the outdoors. i've heard the pikes peak railway is beautiful this time of year.

dan
 

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It will be over 3000 in browns by sat...
 

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Hell, as of right now (410pm) Granite is at 3000! Woo hoo! Who woulda thunk it?
By the way "almostlostit", I would recommend rafting with a company that is actually based out of the valley (buff joes, performance, river runners) and I bet you will have a better time...that is hard to say though, sounds like you were pretty scared of ole' Seidels.
People pay good money to get scared like that, see here's a bunch of them:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl1B0wAjOzY
 

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"My wife and the guide found a calmer spot to get to the bank, but I was carried downriver for over a mile, they tell me, through the next set of rapids. I nearly drowned, and my tailbone and shin took quite a few hits from underwater rocks..."

Can't help myself... Sounds like almostlostit should have been blowing his rescue whistle and waving a turkey leg.
 

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"almostlostit" if you're unable to self rescue in the large pool after siedels then you have no business rafting. the pool is large and flacid. i guided brown's for a summer and flipped numerous times in siedels and never had someone have an experience similar to yours. basic self preservation is key to a long life and enjoyment of the outdoors. i've heard the pikes peak railway is beautiful this time of year.

dan
Why you gotta be a dick?

I guess one summer guiding browns makes you an expert on who should and shouldn't run it...
 

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almostlostit,
the first mistake you made was rafting with Blazing. siedel's suckhole at this level is easily avoidable (river left sneak) with a competent guide. next year try aspen whitewater rafting if you are in the area. glad to hear your ok though. hopefully this experience hasn't scared you away from the river.

I was on a commercial raft trip yesterday (river around 3K) on Browns and we did stop to watch other people go through Siedel's. While we were there we saw around thirty or forty other commercial rafts go through and no one "avoided" Siedel's. There were several flips and lots of people fell out... but there is a GIANT section of flat water to swim out on the right. I didn't see anyone get close to going any farther down river. I can't imagine how you can float by the big eddies on the right unless you don't know how to swim; or just don't try.

Why would a whitewater raft company avoid one of the biggest hits on the river? Why are you whitewater rafting if you don't want to raft on any whitewater?

If Aspen Whitewater Rafting skirts by all the rapids then they should probably get another name.
 
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