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I am looking for like a above view diagram of oar rigs, much like those you might find in a master binder that you get from an outfitting service when you outfit a trip for the grand. I am mostly looking for something where I can accurately label which boat has what cooler and dryboxes. Anyone got some of these? I know these don't have much merritt for small groups but with large groups where food is scattered over tons of boats it is nice for planning. I am looking for something to label 2 dryboxes and a cooler where the rower rows from a drybox, then in front of him is a cooler and then a drybox where the passengers in front sit. Basically they are for keeping in a binder so that the days cook crew can look what cooler and box they need to get into and not have to rifle through every single cooler and drybox to find what they need for meals.
 

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Basically they are for keeping in a binder so that the days cook crew can look what cooler and box they need to get into and not have to rifle through every single cooler and drybox to find what they need for meals.
Can't help with your request, but ...

Having been on a number of Grand trips, where an outfitter like PRO, Monekopi, etc did the meals, it's a major pain - as you describe - for the ingredients for a camp's dinner to be spread among multiple boats.

It was an eye-opener for me when I first did a trip using the method that I understand is commonplace for private boaters on other rivers (than the Grand), where each boat is responsible for the meals at one (or more, depending upon trip length and number of participants/boats) camp. It's SO much simpler: the boatman - and his/her SO, friend(s), etc - planned the menu, bought the groceries, and will cook the meal. The cooks don't need to wonder what and where the ingredients are. Other boats don't need to be bothered. It's great.
 

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That system is definitely great when everyone is a avid boater, knows group dynamics well, bringing their group meal, boat, gear, in charge of rigging it, etc. However, I am looking for these for trips where the majority number of people are either on their first rafting trip, or are not familiar with how a trip is run or packed, where two to three people are in charge of overseeing the packing of ALL boats and equipment but need to implement a system where a novice who is on cook crew can easily find certain gear on the raft without having to constantly be asking "what boat is the butter in?" or "where do I find the breakfast burrito stuff?" This is more for where all boats and equipment are coming from a single source, and a group is working together to rig all the boats simultaneously. I am hoping to label each boxes content in the diagram and then name or number each boat so someone who is inexperienced can look at the book and see what boat name to look for, then what box it is in.
 

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There are so many variables involved that it's hard to come up with a universal system. The nu mber of days, boats and people all add to the complexity, especially when there is limited stor age space.
However here are a few ideas.
1 boat for each type of meal. I.e. Breakfast boat, lunch boat,dinner boat, bar boat.
1 boat per day. I.e. everything for that day on one boat.
1 rocket box/drybag or other container meal.
Make a master list of everything on a spreadsheet and sort it by where i t got packed. Print out 2 copies and tape one in the drybox and one in the binder.

Of course nothing is perfect, so be creative and keep it simple.

Read River Otter for some other ideas.

Personally I like the everyone brings one dinner option.

When you finally figure it out let us know how it went.
 

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You are correct there is no universal system. I am not interested in alternative ways to pack food, rig boats, etc. I am asking for these because I have thought through my situation, trip, logistics, and this system seems to be the best fit for the length of this trip, gear at my disposal, size of group, and experience of the group. For outfitted trips on the grand where no one knew where anything was equally the diagrams seemed like a pain. But where I know, along with maybe one other individual in what boxes and coolers we can find certain items but will not know which boats said box are in until the boat ramp I believe that the diagram method will work best. This way, first night at camp, all I have to do is go through and look at the label on the inside of the box and cooler, and write it down along with which boat it is in. recipes and ingredient lists will already be associated with each box or cooler type. Such as (meat, dairy, bread box, etc). This way, nobody gets injured running across every single raft multiple times going back and forth between the dairy cooler, and the bread box - remember, these people are first time rafters, I dont expect people to learn and remember cooler contents easily. Also, none of the participants will be responsible for cooking more than just a couple of meals so there isn't time on the river for the group figuring out how every box is packed.

I wish I could implement coolers and boxes by day, even sectioning off each meal proportion such as "breakfast 1" however this takes vast amounts more time but with my group, where food is being purchased from, and the length of trip, it isn't going to be time-effective.

Boat by meal - breakfast boat, lunch boat, etc isn't going to work... Buying in bulk as much as possible and the rest from smiths, there are lots of things that are going to be used for multiple meals. I don't have the time to repackage.

What I am hoping, is that one of you dudes who just got off a Grand trip, and still has these boat diagrams unused or knows where I can find them on the internet might be able to post it up.
 

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Try the 3D Warehouse at Google Sketchup. Once you download the free software you can easily manipulate and modify one of the existing drawings from the Warehouse, then print. With a cursory glance I found a half dozen or so potential candidates.
 

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Try the 3D Warehouse at Google Sketchup. Once you download the free software you can easily manipulate and modify one of the existing drawings from the Warehouse, then print. With a cursory glance I found a half dozen or so potential candidates.

Awesome. If someone doesn't have a better alternative I will definitely look into that program.
 

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Sorry, can't help with that. Maybe the answer is to let the people packing act as the "storekeepers" since they should know where everything is.
Where are you going?
 

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Sounds like you face some of the same challenges I have in the past.

I have never gone to diagramming things out but that is not a bad idea. What I have done is laminated master menus and wet erase pens to check them off when loaded. It could easily be done so the raft it is loaded in would be noted as well.

I will say in terms of repackaging that once I started taking my large zip lock bags and sharpies to the bulk food section it made my life easier. If it is for three different meals in one bulk bag then just note the meals on there B1, L1, APP1, D1 etc. For breakfast oatmeal (it was every other day just recently as we all liked it) it would be B2, B4, B6 etc. Labelled on the bag so you and anyone else knows how many meals are coming out of it.

BTW did you know that steel cut oats brought to a boil and left to sit overnight are awesome? Add quinoa for extra goodness. And for those who don't know steel cut or Irish oats beat the hell out of instant or regular rolled oats.

I also have been using blue painters masking tape to label boxes and coolers. No sticky residue like duct tape and it lasts surprising well if the place applied is clean.

But I digress. No I don't have any diagrams.
 

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BTW did you know that steel cut oats brought to a boil and left to sit overnight are awesome? Add quinoa for extra goodness. And for those who don't know steel cut or Irish oats beat the hell out of instant or regular rolled oats.

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How do you reheat the oats in the AM? Some folks seem to be very good at burning things to the bottom of the pots in the river kitchen:confused::confused:
 

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How do you reheat the oats in the AM? Some folks seem to be very good at burning things to the bottom of the pots in the river kitchen:confused::confused:
Small anodized dutch that I left them in the night before. Just bring to low heat and good. I actually like them better cold.
 

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We usually mark each cooler and dry box as to what days meals are packed into them. Each dry box gets a menu taped inside the lid and a list of what is in that dry box and the cooler that goes with it's meals.

Most of the trips I go on any more are the style where each couple brings a meal or two and cooks it for the group. Last trip we had a type of spread sheet from google that people could add or change info on. I think it is called google drive. The trip leader set it up and it was easy to see who was bringing what group stuff and meal menu's.

The High School trips I go on.....one of the teachers wife does all the prep and packing of the coolers and dry boxes. That teacher is the only one allowed in them to do the shopping.
 

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I'll have to say, I'm not a 100% sure what your looking for but, I drew up my frame set up this spring and posted it in the raft porn thread. It's got a boat and a 5 bay frame on it, I did it in ACAD and still have the drawing so if it's close I could ditch the dimensioning lines and the side profile, you could then draw in rectangles for dry boxes and coolers and add a list to the side as to what's in each container within the boat or what ever your thinking... Let me know I'd be happy to modify it for you...

 

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I'll have to say, I'm not a 100% sure what your looking for but, I drew up my frame set up this spring and posted it in the raft porn thread. It's got a boat and a 5 bay frame on it, I did it in ACAD and still have the drawing so if it's close I could ditch the dimensioning lines and the side profile, you could then draw in rectangles for dry boxes and coolers and add a list to the side as to what's in each container within the boat or what ever your thinking... Let me know I'd be happy to modify it for you...

Sweet! I am looking for something exactly like that.... I can blow it up and erase some of those measurement and it will be perfect. Thanks for posting that!
 

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Thanks y'all for the pics, had a buddy who had already tried what I am proposing and had mixed results and sent me a PDF he used so I am going to try this for my trip this week and will report back with how I communicate the plan to others on the trip, how well it works, and what I might change. Heading down into Cataract for an 8 day trip leaving on Saturday afternoon.

Carvedog, I like your idea of ziplocks and sharpies, will bring some of those for when we go to buying all of the food and supplies.

The situation where I see this working is probably in very limited scenarios, there are probably only a handful of people who will ever find themselves in these situations and have to do it more than once.
 

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I started with a master list in excel, since I knew exactly what I need. I have many paper copies of different master lists for boating, boat camping, car camping, backpacking etc....I love marking off checklists!

To figure out my packing, I created a diagram with a grid representing 2" squares (IIRC) in excel so I could make proportional measurements. I "drew" the raft and frame by coloring cells. It looks rudimentary, but it works.

This allowed me to place the items in the gridded raft diagram and know they would fit before I even started. I color coded items like; cooler1 items= red, drybox2 items = blue, drybag3 items =purple etc. That way I could pack an item and easily find it on the checklist to cross off, but It could also be used to locate on site. I do on occaision cut the list apart and tape the mini-lists to their respective boxes/ coolers etc so people know where stuff is at.

This is also how I designed my frame. It actually worked out perfectly and is still how everything is packed today.
 

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Okay, are you overthinking this? You have already spent more time than required to do it with a straight edge and pencil. Computers do repetitive tasks better; one or two times, not so much. It won't be pretty, but Excel does cell documentation pretty well, and probably you don't need more than three columns and 5 rows. One workbook, one sheet per boat, emailable and viewable on tablets.
 
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