They have electrified fences at some camp sites on the Rogue. You might enquire of the BLM there how they are working out.
Bear proof
I was wondering if anybody has gotten an electric bear fence. I think it won't be long till we will have to have bearproof coolers or an electric fence. I think it would be more economical to get a fence and put all the coolers, food, garbage inside it than buy all bear proof gear. Has anybody bought one, will an electric horse fence do the trick? I would appreciate any advice.
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My friend has one. He sets it up when we are in a camp on the Rogue that doesn't have a bear exclosure. It isn't fancy. Just some wire, fiberglass poles, a battery and a regular fence charger. Not very much to carry.
Do you know the brand or where he got it?My friend has one. He sets it up when we are in a camp on the Rogue that doesn't have a bear exclosure. It isn't fancy. Just some wire, fiberglass poles, a battery and a regular fence charger. Not very much to carry.
Or just take your dog camping with you. Just a thought?
That's our method. Never had a bear get in to anything in the kitchen or boats or camp. I have had to listen to a cub in a tree 10ft from our cots squealing at its mother across the river for most of the night. Oh well, they don't call it a wilderness experience for nothing.
They don't let you take dogs on the Smith (MT). Besides my dog is only a half a dog.Or just take your dog camping with you. Just a thought?
They don't let you take dogs on the Smith (MT). Besides my dog is only a half a dog.
What? That's just not right. I'd boycott the Smith!
1/2 dog can be tougher than a whole dog in some cases. With bear I think its not the size of the dog but the size of the bark.
You can find electric fence stuff at home despot, or many of the ranch type stores. In a fit of (induced) brilliance I had considered getting one to set up on the boat. I hate taking coolers and boxes off every night. Being cheap and lazy I just use an ammonia soaked towel over the cooler and a small Dixie cup of the stuff in the drybox at night.
I'd be interested to hear more first hand experience on this. I considered buying one but my research suggested any contact with branches or grass or something will short it out, rendering it ineffective. I've also read even rain messes with them.
The "campsites" on most rivers I run are often quite primitive, and it would often be difficult to set one up properly with these issues in mind.
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The "campsites" on most rivers I run are often quite primitive, and it would often be difficult to set one up properly with these issues in mind.
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The problem is that you don't have clue if it worked, you only really would know if it failed.
Check this site...fence chargers can vary widely in capacity. Look for one with the specs described. http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/index.cfm?adfg=livingwithbears.bearfences
LOL... so true.The problem is that you don't have clue if it worked, you only really would know if it failed.
Person 1: "What's that around your neck?"
Person 2: "It's my polar bear amulet. It keeps polar bears away."
Person 1: "That's ridiculous... there are absolutely no polar bears anywhere near here!"
Person 2: "See how good it works."
13 trips from 2000 to 2010 (when they banned dogs) and 2 since. I figure my kids should still get the Smith experience even if it's without part of our family, but I have little desire to leave my dogs at home, unless it's unsafe...What? That's just not right. I'd boycott the Smith!
FWIW they banned dogs following a public comment period of about 6 mos where 76 people responded, 45 in favor of banning dogs, 41 against (if I recall the exact numbers correctly). That's quality science right there and think, we Montanans trust them to manage our fish and game populations...
I'm sure FWP will require some sort of bear prevention/protection, that's just their style. Interesting that bears in camp have drastically increased in the last 4 years. This year with the last 4 sites closed for several weeks at least. I wonder why, could dogs have been doing something beneficial to everyone? Nah... Just a coincidence
You will know, they do not leave with the same stealth they come with.The problem is that you don't have clue if it worked, you only really would know if it failed.
bear proof
Check out Waterstrider.com Bear deterrent
Check out Waterstrider.com Bear deterrent
Yeah, dogs are the answer, but since when was the simple answer the one the govmit settled on?
Back in 2006 a buddy and I got this sort of crazy idea to mount an expedition to the North Pole. Yeah, its a long story. But we contacted Will Steger to see if he would help us organize, plan and train for it.
One thing he said to us early on was "You will take a dog and a gun. I can teach you how to survive falling through the ice, white out blizzards, temperatures of -100, hurricane force winds. I can't teach you how to survive a polar bear attack. You will take a dog which will warn you about the bear before it eats you and if the barking doesn't chase the bear away you will use the gun to shoot the bear".
DanCan
Back in 2006 a buddy and I got this sort of crazy idea to mount an expedition to the North Pole. Yeah, its a long story. But we contacted Will Steger to see if he would help us organize, plan and train for it.
One thing he said to us early on was "You will take a dog and a gun. I can teach you how to survive falling through the ice, white out blizzards, temperatures of -100, hurricane force winds. I can't teach you how to survive a polar bear attack. You will take a dog which will warn you about the bear before it eats you and if the barking doesn't chase the bear away you will use the gun to shoot the bear".
DanCan
I have to say that I did mention this to the ranger this year at the putin to the Smith. Some of the high muckety mucks were there the day we put in and we were all going to march up there and voice our views about dogs and such. He highly recommended we just get on the river and he would pass on our views..... There were multiple camps shut down because of bear activity and it made a long last day out because of it. I've floated multiple times before the dog ban and not had camps closed due to bears. Coincidence.... I think not.
The bears are there not because the dogs arent, but because humans are. If everyone practiced true leave no trace there would be no issues with bears. But then again if dog owners practiced leave no trace then they would be allowed to bring them.
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Dogs handle micro trash better than anything. In my opinion dogs are part of leave no trace ethics.The bears are there not because the dogs arent, but because humans are. If everyone practiced true leave no trace there would be no issues with bears. But then again if dog owners practiced leave no trace then they would be allowed to bring them.
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