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SO i'm headed to nepal in early october to do some climbing for a while then hoping to paddle a bit somewhere in that region of the world... anyone paddled there or have any info? thanks!:D
 

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Dude, Is that over near Pakistan, China area? I'm unclear of the area, I guess I shall look at a map..

I guess you have conquer-ed everthing in the neighborhood, Yea?

No I have not.
 

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yah, climbing off the flanks of annapurna....:)

to be clear: im comfortable on III-IV- waters right now, and certainly have not conquered everything in my back yard, but would like to squeeze some paddling in while im over there in the off season... tryin to be on the water as much as possible
 

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Biz or pleasure? Guess you gona do both..?

Good luck and keep an eye out..
 

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i guess you could call it both.... trying to get on as a guide at a place my buddy works, but to be honest it started out as pleasure.... i live/work in the states during the summer months and typically go climbing abroad during part/all of the winter months
 

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Modi Kola

You'll hike right up the Modi Kola on the way to Annapurna. Great IV (V) run and gets steeper as you get higher. If you wanna do the hard guy trip, rent a boat in Pokhara at the kayak shop from the french guy, then hire a porter to carry it to first bridge or second bridge (there's a little village there) and you can find someone to store it. Go climb and then run the classic on the way back down with a couple of rest days in between. That should take about two weeks with the climbing. Maybe more.

There's a bunch of fun, huckable waterfalls farther down -closer to the takeout-you can hike up to. That creek comes in on river right. I'm spacing the name now. The waterfalls are epic.

The trick will be finding someone to paddle with after you climb. It's easy to meet paddlers in Pokhara though. Tons of other options as well. That's just one you'll see as you're walking up to ABC.
 

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I've been over there 8 times.
I was there for the climbing and trekking more than the whitewater.
Haven't been now for 5 years.
If you need a good Sherpa, PM me.
I have a great one although he is probably getting old now and maybe his kids are taking over.
If i was paddling, there's the Trisuli or the Kali Gandaki (the latter one is considered the deepest gorge in the world with Annapurna on the east side and Daulagiri on the west, both 8,000 meter peaks and the river is around 1500 meters. Nice views!
Have fun.
 

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You will be in the Pokhara area for your hike, so look for runs around there.

Kali Gandaki is 3 day III-IV run only 1/2 day bus ride from Annapurna Trailhead

Smokey's Modi is right there and rules

The best is the 5 day Karnali IV which is 1 day bus ride from there

Seti is right near town there, and quality III-IV day stretch

Bring all your own gear, except kayak, and count on finding a boat. You can rent gear right there in Pokhara. The best move is to monger into a raft company. Bring some extra gear like a few helmets or lifejackets and scout out which place looks chill and roll in there with the extra gear and say here's some gear for you, I wanna safety kayak a trip. Act like your a sick ass kayaker. Then negotiate a trip as a safety kayaker. Maybe free, maybe half price, it all just depends on how good you negotiate. It's nice to go with the raft company cause you have the shuttle, food, everything dialed.
 

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sweet trip dude.

I was in Nepal last November by myself. It is a SWEET trip, how long are you going to be there and how big is your group? Here is what I learned:

#1 - Base yourself out of Pokhera, not Kathmandu. It is MUCH nicer and you can get everything you need as a westerner looking to kayak there. If you do end up in Kathmandu the local boater hang out seems to be a guest house called "Holy House" I believe and is about a block down and around the corner from the famous Kathmandu Guest house

#2 - Talk to a guy German guy named Andy that runs Shiva Outdoors http://www.treknepal.eu/ based out of Kathmandu. He can custom setup trips for you, hook you up with guides etc. He hooked me up with a guide named Kamal (sp?) and it was like $15 a day plus expenses and we ran the Bhota Kosi. He also setup a raft supported kayak trip of the Karnali that I think ended up being like $350. He also seems to have the best selection of available boats. While I did one trip as a tag along on a commercial raft trip I think private guides are the way to go especially if you have 3-5 people you can share the cost with and get it down to something like $5 a day.

#3 - I plan on going back, and when I do I plan on taking ALL my gear including a cheap "modern" play boat which they need. I think if you bargain well enough you could trade that play boat for rentals through the rest of your trip.

#4 - Learn to bargain. I don't think I did a very good job of that and while I paid very little for the trips I took from a US stand point, I'm sure I could have gotten better.

#5 - Buy a good medical evac/S&R type insurance. While I didn't end up needing it and I didn't buy it, I WILL next time because the state of the medical system is so bad as an american you can not even imagine. I was told to go to Malaysia if I got seriously hurt... Go to a travel nurse and get all your shots, Malaria is a concern in some areas as well.

#6 - Last but certainly not the least important, don't expect to be on a schedule, things WILL not go as planned. You must be willing to roll with the punches.

Just fyi, I got my airfare from denver to KTM for about $1400 in feb for a Nov. 1 departure and a Dec. 1 return. I paddled 21 days total I think on the Sun Kosi, Bhota Kosi, and Karnali. The entire trip cost less then $3000 for a month all in.

IM me if you want to talk more and I'll shoot you my phone number.

MR
 

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One last thing, the only guide book I found was Whitewater Nepal, which I got off of amazon. It is a bit old, but better then any other guide book I have seen for another country.
 

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Nice post (above) by Badazws6.
I have only 2 problems with it.
There is a Canadian clinic in Kathmandu where you can get shots for Typhoid for about 1/4 of the cost that you get it in America. (it is over near the Royal Palace)
I wouldn't get the pills for malaria, they make you sick and there is a cure for malaria anyway. (and they are expensive) Research it.

The other thing is bargaining.
Nepal is one of the poorest countries in the world.
The guides and people working there in the tourist trade, work for peanuts.
To try to bargain them down to half-peanuts is a bit sad IMO.

Just my 2 cents.
 

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Nice post (above) by Badazws6.
I have only 2 problems with it.
There is a Canadian clinic in Kathmandu where you can get shots for Typhoid for about 1/4 of the cost that you get it in America. (it is over near the Royal Palace)
I wouldn't get the pills for malaria, they make you sick and there is a cure for malaria anyway. (and they are expensive) Research it.

The other thing is bargaining.
Nepal is one of the poorest countries in the world.
The guides and people working there in the tourist trade, work for peanuts.
To try to bargain them down to half-peanuts is a bit sad IMO.

Just my 2 cents.
Pharmacy stuff IS cheap and I did take advantage of it in country but I did get my shots before I left and hold that it is better to do so. I would not be concerned about Malaria in general, but I took the pills (there are several different ones, and I forget which I took) and didn't get sick from the pills or Malaria. Just my own personal decision. As I mentioned I said "seriously hurt" like I need to have major surgry and/or serious hospital bed time I would not trust anything in country. I would trust just about any "clinic" to put three stitches in me.

I have gone back and forth on the bargaining thing and it really comes down to if there is the expectation of bargaining. For instance, food, I never bargained for, the first quoted price I paid, period. On the other hand, for "tourist goods" like the shaws I brought back for my mother, girlfriend, etc I generally bargained down 25%-35%.
 

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In addition to the Modi Kola, the Madi Kola (Kola means "creek") is another outstanding IV+ creek near Pokhara.

The Marsyangdi is also nearby and it's got some of the best big water Class IV anywhere. We spent 3 days on that, but I know they were putting in a dam, so the trip may be cut short, although a quick googling of "marsyangdi kayak" indicates that there are people selling trips, so it's not all gone.
 

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good stuff guys

Pharmacy stuff IS cheap and I did take advantage of it in country but I did get my shots before I left and hold that it is better to do so. I would not be concerned about Malaria in general, but I took the pills (there are several different ones, and I forget which I took) and didn't get sick from the pills or Malaria. Just my own personal decision. As I mentioned I said "seriously hurt" like I need to have major surgry and/or serious hospital bed time I would not trust anything in country. I would trust just about any "clinic" to put three stitches in me.

I have gone back and forth on the bargaining thing and it really comes down to if there is the expectation of bargaining. For instance, food, I never bargained for, the first quoted price I paid, period. On the other hand, for "tourist goods" like the shaws I brought back for my mother, girlfriend, etc I generally bargained down 25%-35%.
fiddleheadpa, Badazws6-
thanks for the info--- got all my vacs. already and don't plan on taking malaria pills (took some when i was in southamerica climbing last year and felt like i had a head full of acid the whole time...interesting, but not the right time-)

right now theres 4 climbers in the my party and no other boaters- im staying in the area from October thru mid January- (longer if i get distracted)

right now im looking at Kali Gandaki and Seti, looks to be a bit more in my comfort zone esp if i don't know who im paddling with. Sounds like Pokhara is the place to be for paddling, ill have to see if i can track down the french dude and see what happens! thanks for the info- ill probably end up sending a some of you PMs and try to pick your brains a bit more....

oh yeah, there's a time and a place for bargaining-- sometimes people get insulted if you don't bargain and pay what they are asking..part of the fun is haggling and most won't sell their goods for anything less than what they actually want from them.....just what i picked up from my several experiences in SA

cheers!
luke
 

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I haven't boated in Nepal, just trekked. It's a truly amazing place and the people are great. Pokhara is absolutely the best base camp. Laid back and pretty, and every once-and-awhile you get killer views of Fishtail and the Annapurna massif. Kathmandu is nasty and polluted and overcrowded. Hanging out at Lake Phewa Tal when you aren't in the mtns or on the rivers is pretty perfect. Just keep an eye on the leaches.

The Annapurna Range is incredible. We flew up the Kali Gandaki Gorge from Pokhara to Jomsom to start our trek into Mustang. Annapurna to the right and Dhaulagiri to the left. Incredible.

Enjoy! It is a trip of a lifetime.
 

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It shouldn't be hard to find the French guy, I don't remember the name of the shop off the top of my head but it is the only Kayak specific shop on the main tourist drag, just don't go into one of the obvious commercial rafting shops. There was a good Tibetan place to eat also in Pokhara on the opposite end of the main drag from the kayak shop.
 

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I agree about bargaining for souvenirs. It's ok and expected sometimes.
It's the bargaining for your rafting or guide's fees that makes me feel that these guys would die for you and you want to cut their $15 a day down to $10 or something.

Here's a pic of one of our Sherpa's going up to Dauligiri in 04 with Annapurna in the background.
 
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