andy, still feeling like sh*t?? the gorge does get rockin at higher water and the consequence factor is class four ,but most of the moves and rapids remain class 3. when she said "...at least class 4" and even suggested gore, i figured she was a little more experienced and looking for something more challenging. remember, we are talking commercial trip here, not you at the oars. J/K. lets have a meeting some night this week and make sure that lid is safe.
CCM, all depends on where you are. if you have run browns canyon or any other real straight forward class3 trip a time or two then the gorge is a step up, will be very exciting, perhaps a little spooky at high water , and will definitely feel like class 4 if you swim. pine creek/ numbers is more technical and has a few more demanding moves...... gore is another step up. if you feel like you know your way around a raft, are in good shape, strong swimmer, and want some fairly gnarly action, look to raft gore. i think timberline, and maybe others, offer a class 4 package , with portages( short and fairly easy) of the 2 class 5's, as well as the full on 5 package. the guide decides on river what you will and wont run according to how he feels about the crew/level. if none of this makes sense to you, forget about it all, including gore and take andys advice to call the 800 #'s on the ark.[/quote]
i would be more enthusiastic, but i am at work on a 48 hr. shift!!! 
