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Last year I bought a 14ft aire lion cat. It has proved to be a very stable boat. I chose this boat for two reasons 1st I wanted a cat 2nd the min. size of a suport boat on the grand is 14ft. Some people have expressed to me their opinion that 14ft is not nearly big enough for these trips. I think if you are skilled you should be able to handle it.

Anyone got an opinion on that?
 

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Small but doable

I would think a 14 or 16 ft boat would be doable if you're experienced. Wild ride though. I wouldn't want to try to flip it back over by myself if it's loaded as a support boat.

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Square up and punch it!

People take 14' rafts and cats down the Grand and Cat all the time. As I recall, the aire lion has a long water line and big tubes. Load that puppy up, and trust the capabilities of a cat. As you probably know, they're very forgiving and capable boats. You might have to avoid a few giant holes, but you'd be wise to avoid those features in an 18 footer too.
 

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I took a 14 raft down in Jan and had no problems whatsoever. I wouldn't sweat it if as you say you are good.
 

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I know two guys who have taken 14' Ocelots (small diameter tubes) down the Grand, both did fine.

Naturally, your mileage may vary....
 

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Three trips witha 16' Hyside cat, no problems at all (except that one time in the ledge hole at Lava). One of the next two trips I plan on taking a a very
lightly loaded 12' cat. You will be able to take all the aggressive lines, just keep it straight and smile.
 

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Just got back from Cat @ 50K...Joe styled the big drops (20-30' waves, holes, etc) in his cat with a hero line to boot....the rig flipped right after that with a different rower in not so big (under 20' waves).

hmmmm.

Took 6 people to get it upright. Ohh, and all the hard shit on the deck and oar rig flipped violent enough to bash a boater in the head...there was blood.

Anyway, depends on the rower I guess.
 

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We had two cats that size when I did the Grand and there were no problems.


Joke: Whats the worst part about telling your parents that you bought a cataraft?

Coming out of the closet.
 

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The biggest limitation for your cat

will be the amount of cargo you can carry. Done the Grand 3 X in 14 SB. Gear stacked to the ceiling. I'd say you'll most likely only be
able to carry your share of gear. Hopefully there's plenty of 18' rafts to haul
cargo on your trip.
 

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I've had relatives that took down old school Selway bucket boats in the 11-12' range down the GC--ones with 12-13" tubes.
Size is relative......
 

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Joke: Whats the worst part about telling your parents that you bought a cataraft?

Coming out of the closet.

Fuck,can we retire this joke already. It's the most commonly used,predicatable,interchangeable joke in the history of bad jokes.


No,i don't own a cat.
 

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will be the amount of cargo you can carry. Done the Grand 3 X in 14 SB. Gear stacked to the ceiling. I'd say you'll most likely only be
able to carry your share of gear. Hopefully there's plenty of 18' rafts to haul
cargo on your trip.
I'll second that. I doubt you'll be able to carry your share of the gear, and your share of the passengers (if any) (Grand). We had a 16' cat owner decide to rent an 18' raft for just that reason. But we had no kayakers except an intermittent IK. Plus, it seems cats flip easier, I was with a 14' raft on my trip, not sure about a cat. At least you'd be heavily loaded - probably more than you want to be.
 

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Cats flip easier?

No way. A properly loaded and trimmed cat is less likely to flip because, hydrodynamically speaking, there's a lot less shear (i.e friction, suck) than on a raft with a floor. Cats flip when they fetch up on a rock or wall. Very seldom in holes or big waves, with reasonably good handling.

As far as taking a 14-footer on El Grande, I echo the sentiment that you're halfway between the real G-boats (18+ container ships) and the unashamed parasites in kayaks and duckies.

If you can go with a light to moderate load, you'll have a great trip. If you load an equal share, you'll be so low in the water that maneuvering will be unpleasant, at best.

The Jack's website (<jpwinc.com>) has load/waterline tables for standard size tubes. If in doubt, you can put your boat in the water and pile on the gear. If your floor is awash, beware.
 

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No way. A properly loaded and trimmed cat is less likely to flip because, hydrodynamically speaking, there's a lot less shear (i.e friction, suck) than on a raft with a floor. Cats flip when they fetch up on a rock or wall. Very seldom in holes or big waves, with reasonably good handling.
Aahhh- cats vs rafts! Maybe I've just seen a lot of improperly loaded/trimmed cats or people that aren't as good at running them. Well, I've not seen a ton of cats, but they seem to be a lot more sketchy from the few I've seen in person. Again, maybe it is back to the "driver".

I do recall seeing one a couple of years back, it was HUGE. People went through the rapids standing, it had like a railing on it or something. It looked like NOTHING could have taken it over. And this was on the Alberton Gorge in Montan, not a huge river. Never seen anything like that setup since.
 
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